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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
(Post 3844496)
One issue i see with this…….when you are trying to get somewhere and that day goes into the crapper, wouldn’t this system destroy our ability to be flexible? If i dont make a flight, and want to try an alternate route, it would be pretty crappy to not get on because a new hire checked in before you on your backup plan. Id rather just keep it senority based in this hypothetical situation that will never actually arise
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3844485)
beats having 20 people list inside an hour prior and blow your chances of making a flight. With TOC everyone lists 24 hours out and makes things far more predictable.
the difference in pilot seniority between a June 2021 hire and a June 2024 hire (3 years) is about the same as between a June 2021 hire and a June 2001 hire (20 years). Someone hired this year can look forward to decades of getting beat out by tens of thousands of employees and their families all hired within 3 years of them. Sorry not sorry about bumping someone hired a week after I was. Just the same as I don’t gnash my teeth when the one hired a week before aces me out. Seniority matters. |
Originally Posted by Hubcapped
(Post 3844496)
One issue i see with this…….when you are trying to get somewhere and that day goes into the crapper, wouldn’t this system destroy our ability to be flexible? If i dont make a flight, and want to try an alternate route, it would be pretty crappy to not get on because a new hire checked in before you on your backup plan. Id rather just keep it senority based in this hypothetical situation that will never actually arise
and if it was set up like AA, you could change your existing reservation to an alternate route to the same destination and keep your original check in time. |
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 3844502)
And?
Sorry not sorry about bumping someone hired a week after I was. Just the same as I don’t gnash my teeth when the one hired a week before aces me out. Seniority matters. it’s a moo point anyway as I put the likelihood of this changing about the same as us placing an order for 100 787s and basing them in BOS, MCO, and DFW. |
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3844507)
clearly I’m not changing your mind, and that’s fine. I think the rational for why seniority matters in non revving loses some of its merit when observed through the lens of 40% of an employee group being hired in 36 months. Someone hired today will likely not have good non rev seniority for a while, could be decades if the people we have hired decide they like working here. Thats could amount to the entire career of an average age new hire.
it’s a moo point anyway as I put the likelihood of this changing about the same as us placing an order for 100 787s and basing them in BOS, MCO, and DFW. I just don’t see any reason to upend “the way we’ve always done it” because suddenly there’s a lot of newhires with tightly bunched hire dates. That same phenomenon you’re describing for non revving will also affect their AE horsepower, vacation bidding, etc. In a word: seniority. The flip side of what some seem not to like is that 2001 hire you referenced. Just when they’re starting to have some real horsepower, others that don’t want to wait their turn, would like to change the rules. In case it’s not clear, I respectfully don’t want to have anything to do with an AA style system. |
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 3844511)
Agreed it’s not likely to change. And I do appreciate the different perspective you’re bringing up.
I just don’t see any reason to upend “the way we’ve always done it” because suddenly there’s a lot of newhires with tightly bunched hire dates. That same phenomenon you’re describing for non revving will also affect their AE horsepower, vacation bidding, etc. In a word: seniority. The flip side of what some seem not to like is that 2001 hire you referenced. Just when they’re starting to have some real horsepower, others that don’t want to wait their turn, would like to change the rules. In case it’s not clear, I respectfully don’t want to have anything to do with an AA style system. |
Originally Posted by Tanker1497
(Post 3844518)
Bingo. Seniority is this job…
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 3844502)
Seniority matters. |
Originally Posted by demon llama
(Post 3844534)
Maybe we should use last 4 of SSN in reverse order....
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 3844511)
Agreed it’s not likely to change. And I do appreciate the different perspective you’re bringing up.
I just don’t see any reason to upend “the way we’ve always done it” because suddenly there’s a lot of newhires with tightly bunched hire dates. That same phenomenon you’re describing for non revving will also affect their AE horsepower, vacation bidding, etc. In a word: seniority. The flip side of what some seem not to like is that 2001 hire you referenced. Just when they’re starting to have some real horsepower, others that don’t want to wait their turn, would like to change the rules. In case it’s not clear, I respectfully don’t want to have anything to do with an AA style system. Not arguing either way, just that the comparison to pilot-only seniority items isn’t a great one. |
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