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Iceberg 06-26-2022 11:03 AM
Originally Posted by SabreDriver (Post 3448749)
As long as 1 minute of that 30 hour break falls within the previous 168, you can commence the FDP. It doesn’t have to be the entire 30 hours. Otherwise, the reg would be written that way. I have been forced into more than one back to back trip because of this.


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You may want to file some ASAPs if you operated with only a portion of a 30 hour break within the preceding 168 hours prior to an FDP.

smellson 06-26-2022 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by cantflylist (Post 3448609)
That is 100% right. If anyone disagrees - read the regulation. it is very short and very clear. 138 hours since your last 30 to START of FDP
The question was asked in regards to a rsv pilot. Except for rare occurrences, we have a break in our rest at 1201am the first day of rsv. So unless you have a 30hr rest before day 7, you are legal for nothing but a deadhead. Line holders could definitely work a day 7 days in a row (late report day 1 early report day 7).

smellson 06-26-2022 11:09 AM
Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3448762)
You may want to file some ASAPs if you operated with only a portion of a 30 hour break within the preceding 168 hours prior to an FDP.
Absolutely agree

sailingfun 06-26-2022 11:11 AM
Originally Posted by SabreDriver (Post 3448749)
As long as 1 minute of that 30 hour break falls within the previous 168, you can commence the FDP. It doesn’t have to be the entire 30 hours. Otherwise, the reg would be written that way. I have been forced into more than one back to back trip because of this.


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Did a scheduler at Delta tell you this? The rule is very clear and actually easy. You need to look back 168 hours and find 30 hours free of all obligation within that 168 hours. You can’t even be on long call reserve.

StartngOvr 06-26-2022 11:24 AM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3448770)
You need to look back 168 hours and find 30 hours free of all obligation within that 168 hours. You can’t even be on long call reserve.

Of course you can be on long call reserve. I’ve been on reserve for 18 days straight. No problem. Long call reserve is not an FDP, so the reg does not apply.

Example: day 10 of long call you receive an assignment to report in 15 hours to deadhead to a 32 hour layover. You are now rested and can operate a flight after the layover is complete.

myrkridia 06-26-2022 12:20 PM
Originally Posted by StartngOvr (Post 3448775)
Of course you can be on long call reserve. I’ve been on reserve for 18 days straight. No problem. Long call reserve is not an FDP, so the reg does not apply.

Example: day 10 of long call you receive an assignment to report in 15 hours to deadhead to a 32 hour layover. You are now rested and can operate a flight after the layover is complete.
This is not the case. While there are company obligations that are not FDP, that does not mean they qualify as rest.

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Whoopsmybad 06-26-2022 12:35 PM
Originally Posted by StartngOvr (Post 3448775)
Of course you can be on long call reserve. I’ve been on reserve for 18 days straight. No problem. Long call reserve is not an FDP, so the reg does not apply.

Example: day 10 of long call you receive an assignment to report in 15 hours to deadhead to a 32 hour layover. You are now rested and can operate a flight after the layover is complete.
If you are on a long set of long call, they have to give you a 30 hour window of rest. This is how bidding that many days in a row can get you extra days off. If you go over 168, they can’t touch you until they schedule you a 30 hour break or a 30+ hour layover. If you aren’t scheduled into a layover they have to schedule you a in base break.

cantflylist 06-26-2022 12:36 PM
Originally Posted by StartngOvr (Post 3448775)
Of course you can be on long call reserve. I’ve been on reserve for 18 days straight. No problem. Long call reserve is not an FDP, so the reg does not apply.

Example: day 10 of long call you receive an assignment to report in 15 hours to deadhead to a 32 hour layover. You are now rested and can operate a flight after the layover is complete.
I think this is right. DH only is duty, but not FDP. the 32 hours then makes the 30/168 legit

sailingfun 06-26-2022 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by StartngOvr (Post 3448775)
Of course you can be on long call reserve. I’ve been on reserve for 18 days straight. No problem. Long call reserve is not an FDP, so the reg does not apply.

Example: day 10 of long call you receive an assignment to report in 15 hours to deadhead to a 32 hour layover. You are now rested and can operate a flight after the layover is complete.
Incorrect with regard to what I posted. If you are starting a FDP and you look back for 30 hours free of duty you can’t have been on reserve of any type during that 30 hours.

StartngOvr 06-26-2022 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by cantflylist (Post 3448816)
I think this is right. DH only is duty, but not FDP. the 32 hours then makes the 30/168 legit

DING DING DING!! This guy gets it.


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