Boog, back to my previous question to you. What exactly did you mean by your zoomie reference?

Didn’t see your question. Just like regional
guys have their little quirks, as far as
”some” military guys, the AFA folks “sometimes” seem a little wound tight. Just a few, quirks like all
of us…..breezy is
busy now arguing with some
flight attendant on a pilot message board So I think I’m not far off.

I came from the regionals.

Dude, they keep hitting you with the numbers to back up their claims. Trip: “this is getting dumb”.

You’ve got that right.

Korean Air + Asiana to USA weekly frequencies:

LAX 24x, JFK 17x, SFO 12x, ATL 9x, HNL 8x, SEA 6x, IAD 5x, BOS 3x, ORD 3x, DFW 3X, GUM 7x.

97x total

Delta weekly to Korea;

SEA 5x, ATL 5x, DTW 3x.

13x total

*Weekly flights for June 2022. Korean and Asiana are merging, perhaps a few future redundancies. Did not include Korean Air cargo, goes to many US cities but couldn't find frequencies. I estimate several daily. For gauge, KE/OZ use 747s, A380s and 777-300s vs our 330-900s and 350-900s. Yes Asia demand is down, and our routes our down. So is Korean too, they used to have more US freq and routes to DEN, LAS, IAH, MIA. Korean made a 1.2B profit in 2021. DL owns 11% share.

but did you see Trip7’s real estate and stock investments?

I haven't been to ICN in awhile. Are they now flying those 380s? I haven't seen any. But this is actually a pretty sobering post.

I remember many of these negotiations however I never saw any linkage to scope for pay. Pay in most negotiations trades in a very narrow band. Pay is also often the last item agreed upon long after scope has been completed. In the current case scope is completed first. When pay is done will you say we traded it? When we had no scope and started negotiations for scope restrictions did we take smaller pay raises in exchange for scope?

I get all this and don't disagree with these specific points.

I'm glad the most important section *could* be settled first. That *could* make things way simpler later if we get the rest in an TA.

That said, This Scope IAP/TA will have to stand on its own. That makes it even less likely to be subject to concessions offset by "eye watering" pay rates or another triple dip scam for a handful of us.

That said, the company wanted this for a reason. It could still be all gains and no concessions, or it could be full of loopholes. Yeah I know, what if they offered every pilot 10 Billion dollars to allow one additional ASK, Shirley we'd agree to that, right...

Anything new on this?

Wife just booked a ticket to a secondary city in Europe through work on DAL. Not a single leg is on us. Looks like we generate good numbers as an Air France ticket agent though!