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PilotWombat 07-27-2022 10:25 PM

From the July 8 C81 newsletter:


Negotiations Update:
Negotiations continue next week, July 12–14 and again July 19–21. Our Negotiating Committee completed the language writing for the Global Scope JV AIP and sent it to the Company last week. We expect a few more exchanges between the Company and our Negotiating Committee before final language is agreed to by both sides. From there the Negotiating Committee will present the final language in the form of a TA to the MEC for review and if it meets our direction then the MEC will send the TA to you for membership ratification (MEMRAT).

JamesBond 07-28-2022 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by GeneralLee (Post 3467905)
It's solid. NC is taking their time going through every scenario with the language. When it goes back to the company side, its taking a long time for the appropriate folks to review the change and then make their changes and send it back over. Most of these folks are senior leaders and negotiating is number 30 on their lists of things to do for the week. That is the sad reality. I'm all for our NC taking the time (which they are) to make this as ironclad as possible.

They could release a synopsis. Having to wait for the contract language looks like they are stalling for something. It's horse****

CBreezy 07-28-2022 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3468701)
They could release a synopsis. Having to wait for the contract language looks like they are stalling for something. It's horse****

They did provide a synopsis months ago.

JamesBond 07-28-2022 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3468705)
They did provide a synopsis months ago.

After the agreement was reached?

PilotWombat 07-28-2022 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3468710)
After the agreement was reached?

The day it was announced, along within several council updates. Calm down with the conspiracies, comrade.

Here's the C44 June update, I think it was copied in several others too.

  • Ensures Delta grows our operation organically with Delta metal and is not incentivized to shed top-end flying to partners.
    • Since Delta pulled down its flying more dramatically than our partners during COVID-19, Delta will be obligated to grow faster than its partners to re-establish its pre-pandemic share of flying by a codified date.
    • Delta will then be required to grow widebody flying on a minimum 1:1 basis with its partners
    • 1:1 growth is on an absolute basis
      • There are no buffers like in the Trans-Atlantic JV production balance
      • If a Delta partner adds flying, Delta must add flying at the same rate of 1:1 or better
      • If flying declines, Delta cannot decrease our flying at a rate greater than our partners
  • Establishes hard theater floor restrictions
    • Delta flying will not left out of the Atlantic, Pacific or South American theaters
  • Creates a durable agreement that will now account for the entry and exit of partners
    • Unlike previous agreements that mirrored commercial agreements with foreign partners, this AIP stands alone and isn’t put at risk when Delta makes changes to its commercial agreements
    • Negates the need of having to renegotiate new JV production balances individually
    • Accounts for partner growth in the time leading up to the official start of a JV
  • Captures more partner flying than previous agreements and Section 1 provisions, including:
    • All widebody partner flying to and from the United States, not just JV flying
    • Partners in which Delta has a defined ownership stake, improved over current PWA language
    • Any partner that carries more than a defined % of passengers, improved over current PWA limits
  • Ensure metrics are easily monitored and enforced
    • PWA Section 1 E. protections remain in place for all flying that is and is not part of Global Scope
    • Compliance measurements on a quarterly basis with no buffers or cure periods
    • 1:1 growth ratio, at a minimum, must be maintained
    • Establishes collars that limit force majeure from affecting entire agreements
  • Establishes a contractually guaranteed, widebody staffing-related remedy
    • The remedy is punitive in nature in the event 1:1 growth is not maintained
    • Results in additional, accretive, widebody jobs with strict staffing formula-based requirements
    • Ensures the remediated jobs are not manipulated by our cumbersome AE process
    • Removes uncertainty from the arbitration process by codifying consequences in the contract
    • The Company is incentivized to ensure scope compliance due to staffing implications
      • Delta can’t just perform a preemptive cost-benefit analysis and “cut us a check”


OOfff 07-28-2022 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by PilotWombat (Post 3468751)
The day it was announced, along within several council updates. Calm down with the conspiracies, comrade.

Here's the C44 June update, I think it was copied in several others too.



the same was sent to every pilot via email and pushed to every iPad in a chairman’s letter

JamesBond 07-28-2022 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by PilotWombat (Post 3468751)
The day it was announced, along within several council updates. Calm down with the conspiracies, comrade.

Here's the C44 June update, I think it was copied in several others too.



Cool. Thanks.

You're the ones that have to live with it. I have 3(5 hopefully) years left. I hope you're satisfied.

Trip7 07-28-2022 02:41 PM

With all the Delta pilot envy over JV partner Widebodies, when I talk to friends over at those airlines, they envy our pay, QOL, PS, and most importantly, quick progression. At LATAM Captain upgrade on the 320 is over 15 years, with most lines being built with 11 days off.

theUpsideDown 07-28-2022 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3468857)
With all the Delta pilot envy over JV partner Widebodies, when I talk to friends over at those airlines, they envy our pay, QOL, PS, and most importantly, quick progression. At LATAM Captain upgrade on the 320 is over 15 years, with most lines being built with 11 days off.

Well, they should negotiate a better contract for better pay,QOL, PS. That would help us too. Not much they can do about progression, thats just roll of the dice.

Now, when united gets all those NBs in, and theyve hired 10k pilots, are they gonna cry about progression? Idk either, i doubt it.

saturn 07-28-2022 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3468857)
With all the Delta pilot envy over JV partner Widebodies, when I talk to friends over at those airlines, they envy our pay, QOL, PS, and most importantly, quick progression. At LATAM Captain upgrade on the 320 is over 15 years, with most lines being built with 11 days off.

Is there any wonder why our management would rather have LATAM fly the transborder flights in a JV agreement? You just defined the business case for outsourcing labor.


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