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Originally Posted by 172skychicken
(Post 3441389)
I'm not sure what the hand-wringing over this is about. If we got a TA with raises as small as theirs over a similar span this place would melt down.
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 3441403)
Pay rates are only one variable out of several that determine value. What do the other areas look like?
side note; if we ever do decide to go back down the rabbit hole of a pension, I think we should model it after UPS -fixed dollar amount per year in retirement based on YOS not FAE ( there is an FAE calculation but from my understanding almost no one hits that over the fixed dollar amount) -12% DC |
Originally Posted by Gunfighter
(Post 3441398)
Technically we did go first, but ended up last. SF will be along shortly to promote small incremental gains and he won't be wrong. We should have had a modest increase in 2020 and used the current round as basis for our 2023 PWA. Now we are negotiating two cycles worth of contracts.
Edit: SF replied before I finished typing. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3441397)
This is almost comical. UPS has endorsed the concept of short modest on time agreements to keep raises coming. We have totally rejected that concept yet guys post the UPS agreement as something good. It’s just over 150 million a year. We demanded 3 billion a year!!
plus we have several sections of our contract that desperately needed fixing thanks to what I assume came from a combination of BK and neglect from previous contract negotiations. I hope everyone here would have voted no to a 4/3/3 raise with no other improvements in 2019 only based on the information we had at the time. |
I see everyone's point. I thought UPS was pay banded, so A220 and up at DL would be paying $400 an hour.
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Originally Posted by JustNarced
(Post 3441425)
I see everyone's point. I thought UPS was pay banded, so A220 and up at DL would be paying $400 an hour.
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3441434)
mid we got this pay for ALL our aircraft that would be a huge win, I’ll agree with that.
ATL 350A 116 ATL 330A 104 ATL 765A 68 |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3441413)
i never lobbied for small gains. I wanted a contract in the billion dollar a year range with solid gains. That ship has sailed and it now looks like UPS and UAL have torpedoed it.
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Originally Posted by JustNarced
(Post 3441425)
I see everyone's point. I thought UPS was pay banded, so A220 and up at DL would be paying $400 an hour.
FedEx has bands for NB (757 and 737) and WB, so the FedEx NB rate could be compared to DL 737/320/757. Nothing flown by the large cargo carriers is comparable to the A220 based on the industry norms of size and range. |
Originally Posted by Gone Flying
(Post 3441392)
that’s what I was thinking too. Looks like since 2019 they have gotten
2020-4% 2021-3% 2022-3% and if this passes it will be 3%/year for 2023-2025. If DL offered us a 10.3% raise tomorrow with 3%/ year after (and no other contract improvements), all we would hear here is how much of a POS that hypothetical TA is. A5S |
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