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Old 10-13-2023, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf View Post
This all makes me go hmmm. Pay for longevity not aircraft size comes to mind. Mr. single scale seems to be picking favorites.
interesting take. My ox didn't get gored so how do you figure I'm picking favorites? The -er and 717 got dumped on. That's a fact.
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Old 10-13-2023, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
interesting take. My ox didn't get gored so how do you figure I'm picking favorites? The -er and 717 got dumped on. That's a fact.
And both aircraft will probably still be here for another contract cycle. We were played.
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Old 10-13-2023, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
interesting take. My ox didn't get gored so how do you figure I'm picking favorites? The -er and 717 got dumped on. That's a fact.
No, thatís your opinion.

The fact is, they got 18% (20% with UA). Just like the 350 did. Itís a lso fact that the 75 got banded up to the 76 several contracts ago.
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Old 10-13-2023, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15 View Post
No, thatís your opinion.

The fact is, they got 18% (20% with UA). Just like the 350 did. Itís a lso fact that the 75 got banded up to the 76 several contracts ago.
Not to mention that no other carrier pays the 767 at a higher pay step than Delta already does. But they all pay the 330/764 at the same rate as the 777/350. C2019 finally resolved this glaring hole in our contract, relative to UA and AA.

Same goes for the 319/320, which is paid the same as the 737-800 everywhere else, but was artificially held down at the Delta/NW merger due toÖ reasons.

Delta pilots have been flying the 319/320/330/764 at a discount compared to the entire industry since the JCBA.

The same is simply not true of the 767, no matter how triggered James and Company are on the matter.
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Old 10-13-2023, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
interesting take. My ox didn't get gored so how do you figure I'm picking favorites? The -er and 717 got dumped on. That's a fact.
So everyone should have gotten A350 rate, right? I really can't speak to any of the pay rates since they weren't negotiated though. We got what we got handed to us by the arbitrator.
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Old 10-13-2023, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15 View Post
No, thatís your opinion.

The fact is, they got 18% (20% with UA). Just like the 350 did. Itís a lso fact that the 75 got banded up to the 76 several contracts ago.
What happened several contracts ago is irrelevant.

I'll bet you a case of Bud light that the ER will still be her whenever you get your next contract. You settled for less. That is a fact
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Old 10-13-2023, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
And both aircraft will probably still be here for another contract cycle. We were played.
Most likely more than one contract cycle. I didnít really expect it to be pay banded up like the 764 did though. Thereís more 75ís than 76ís.
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Old 10-13-2023, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
What happened several contracts ago is irrelevant.

I'll bet you a case of Bud light that the ER will still be her whenever you get your next contract. You settled for less. That is a fact

I bet we have fewer than 45 ERs by then

and far more NEOs, 220s and 330s.

if the ER rate was not worth fixing over the past 23+ years, why is it such a big deal now?
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Old 10-13-2023, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond View Post
What happened several contracts ago is irrelevant.

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Oh, reeeeeealy? I guess losing (having stolen) the pension was irrelevant, then too. Which makes the Min Balance irrelevant. And the 32%, then 14% more pay cuts in bankruptcy are irrelevant. AndÖ

Come on, JB. Of course itís relevant. That doesnít make it controlling, but itís certainly relevant.

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I bet we have fewer than 45 ERs by then

and far more NEOs, 220s and 330s.

if the ER rate was not worth fixing over the past 23+ years, why is it such a big deal now?
Bingo.
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Old 10-13-2023, 01:21 PM
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Except that we already have the first ~30 of them and there's half a dozen getting paint and engines put on right now. They're a little behind schedule, sure -- but what isn't.



Does Boeing have any history of over promising and under delivering?

There weren't any issues with the 787 or the 737MAX, right?
How many 75s do we have again?????

Bus has supply issues and are just now seeing the light shed in them.

Like I said 7ER fleet is going nowhere for sometime

Yeah the 737-900. And the Max 10. The only aircraft Airbus ever made to actually hit it's targets was the original gangster 320.
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