Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
06-12-2023, 11:29 AM
#2741
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Just curious. Do you think the MASSIVE hiring after the Covid upheaval debacle is putting greater expectations/pressure on the group due to FOMO. I suspect when things get back to real world on hiring, there will still be AE angst but no where near the level of todays discontent.
And, yes there will still be room for improvement, but as Gunfighter said, more frequent AE's will narrow the gap closer to stove pipe(more AE's combined with slower hiring numbers). Some will applaud but some(the go-getter's) will not have the opportunity for the meteoric advancement of today.
BTW, about 6 months ago a friend of mine at UAL didn't get trained for so long(9 or 10 months) that he incurred no freeze and was within a week of getting paid and staying home. Only bring it up because it seems to be a sign of the times(Covid). UAL appears to be better manned than Delta currently, but it appears Delta is running full tilt at the training center. It may always be running hot at Delta, but eventually things will stabilize, GS will dry up(comparatively) and BES will return to more stovepipe. Just my WAG
And, yes there will still be room for improvement, but as Gunfighter said, more frequent AE's will narrow the gap closer to stove pipe(more AE's combined with slower hiring numbers). Some will applaud but some(the go-getter's) will not have the opportunity for the meteoric advancement of today.
BTW, about 6 months ago a friend of mine at UAL didn't get trained for so long(9 or 10 months) that he incurred no freeze and was within a week of getting paid and staying home. Only bring it up because it seems to be a sign of the times(Covid). UAL appears to be better manned than Delta currently, but it appears Delta is running full tilt at the training center. It may always be running hot at Delta, but eventually things will stabilize, GS will dry up(comparatively) and BES will return to more stovepipe. Just my WAG
In a few months after we are awarded whatever we bid on this AE it’ll be like “oh yea that was no big deal” but it’s not knowing what or when that’s the hard part. It’s dumb because we all should just be thankful we have a great job with a great company but it’s definitely FOMO and first world problems in my opinion that’s causing all the fuss.
06-12-2023, 11:33 AM
#2742
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
And, yes there will still be room for improvement, but as Gunfighter said, more frequent AE's will narrow the gap closer to stove pipe(more AE's combined with slower hiring numbers). Some will applaud but some(the go-getter's) will not have the opportunity for the meteoric advancement of today.
I liken this to those who freak out over any contractual change that might reduce GS, even if that item is a QOL increase for the group at large. Just like there is nothing wrong with our GS frenzy softening to our historical average, smaller/more frequent bids will likely be better for the group as a whole. Sure there may be the occasional pilot upset, but overall, I'd think it would be an QOL increase for the group.
06-12-2023, 11:45 AM
#2743
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Originally Posted by Tropical
A small AE after a 6 month break is a slap in the face. Even a "week or two delay" pushes first conversions to August.
Tell your 4th floor buddies they probably shouldn't press to test with the pilot group right now.
06-12-2023, 11:53 AM
#2744
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
I liken this to those who freak out over any contractual change that might reduce GS, even if that item is a QOL increase for the group at large. Just like there is nothing wrong with our GS frenzy softening to our historical average, smaller/more frequent bids will likely be better for the group as a whole. Sure there may be the occasional pilot upset, but overall, I'd think it would be an QOL increase for the group.
06-12-2023, 12:10 PM
#2745
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I get some of the angst. Lots of guys had expiring seat locks in April and are itching to do something different in a post COVID world.
That being said, “a slap in the face” is about as dramatic as the gate agent I saw a couple weeks back chastising me about showing up 40 min prior to push at the jet saying “if it’s late it’s on you”.
That being said, “a slap in the face” is about as dramatic as the gate agent I saw a couple weeks back chastising me about showing up 40 min prior to push at the jet saying “if it’s late it’s on you”.
06-12-2023, 12:16 PM
#2746
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Just curious. Do you think the MASSIVE hiring after the Covid upheaval debacle is putting greater expectations/pressure on the group due to FOMO. I suspect when things get back to real world on hiring, there will still be AE angst but no where near the level of todays discontent.
And, yes there will still be room for improvement, but as Gunfighter said, more frequent AE's will narrow the gap closer to stove pipe(more AE's combined with slower hiring numbers). Some will applaud but some(the go-getter's) will not have the opportunity for the meteoric advancement of today.
BTW, about 6 months ago a friend of mine at UAL didn't get trained for so long(9 or 10 months) that he incurred no freeze and was within a week of getting paid and staying home. Only bring it up because it seems to be a sign of the times(Covid). UAL appears to be better manned than Delta currently, but it appears Delta is running full tilt at the training center. It may always be running hot at Delta, but eventually things will stabilize, GS will dry up(comparatively) and BES will return to more stovepipe. Just my WAG
And, yes there will still be room for improvement, but as Gunfighter said, more frequent AE's will narrow the gap closer to stove pipe(more AE's combined with slower hiring numbers). Some will applaud but some(the go-getter's) will not have the opportunity for the meteoric advancement of today.
BTW, about 6 months ago a friend of mine at UAL didn't get trained for so long(9 or 10 months) that he incurred no freeze and was within a week of getting paid and staying home. Only bring it up because it seems to be a sign of the times(Covid). UAL appears to be better manned than Delta currently, but it appears Delta is running full tilt at the training center. It may always be running hot at Delta, but eventually things will stabilize, GS will dry up(comparatively) and BES will return to more stovepipe. Just my WAG
on the other hand you have those that are just trying to get to a base that makes their commute less difficult or allows them to drive to work. If I lived in SAN, every month I would be commuting to NYC vs driving to LAX would be costing me tons of time away from home, and that would get frustrating watching them keep delaying the next AE.
in my case I would love more frequent AEs more on the grounds of I would like more flexibility to bid between bases. It’s not FOMO over upgrading, rather I would like to the flexibility to change bases (same fleet/seat) as flying/trips change.
06-12-2023, 12:16 PM
#2747
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Originally Posted by tcco94
Don’t bid airplanes for trips! It always changes.
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230611-dlnw23inc
winter on the -400 seeing Barcelona, Frankfurt, Rome just a few. Switches with HNL occasionally. For a couple weeks they’ve had seasonal Maui.
330 variety outside of ATL/NYC is grim. That is a machine to the European and Asia hubs. But nevertheless, don’t count on trips staying the same on an airplane. Except for stuff that no one airplane can do, like the 350. Even that thought will see other bases come in and do some of your stuff and you will go to some other base.
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230611-dlnw23inc
winter on the -400 seeing Barcelona, Frankfurt, Rome just a few. Switches with HNL occasionally. For a couple weeks they’ve had seasonal Maui.
330 variety outside of ATL/NYC is grim. That is a machine to the European and Asia hubs. But nevertheless, don’t count on trips staying the same on an airplane. Except for stuff that no one airplane can do, like the 350. Even that thought will see other bases come in and do some of your stuff and you will go to some other base.
06-12-2023, 12:18 PM
#2748
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
I get some of the angst. Lots of guys had expiring seat locks in April and are itching to do something different in a post COVID world.
That being said, “a slap in the face” is about as dramatic as the gate agent I saw a couple weeks back chastising me about showing up 40 min prior to push at the jet saying “if it’s late it’s on you”.
That being said, “a slap in the face” is about as dramatic as the gate agent I saw a couple weeks back chastising me about showing up 40 min prior to push at the jet saying “if it’s late it’s on you”.
06-12-2023, 12:49 PM
#2749
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So since we are on the topic, has anyone heard when this thing is actually gonna be now? The last “official” word from someone was “on or about June 16” but now it’s delayed with no official word on that yet. Is this thing coming out this week or ain’t it? If it does come out this week, how the heck would we know? Do they send out an email or is it on us to check the AE page under Crew Resources. Asking for a friend of course
06-12-2023, 12:53 PM
#2750
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
I guess 10 minutes early is the new late.
There is currently zero f’s given by gate agents right now on the timeline. The emphasis one getting the operation back on track is definitely going to **** some folks off.
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