Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3526974)

That's why I prefer "back wages" based on negotiated rates for 2020, 2021, 2022 and soon 2023.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3527538)

Exactly. You know whenever the .gov "shuts down" while the DC morons argue over the budget, all those .gov workers get back pay. Fauci's Flu should be no different for us if that is the excuse they are trying to use.

Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3527590)

Such an excellent Christian tone and response. You’re really a great representative.

Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3527590)

Such an excellent Christian tone and response. You’re really a great representative.

Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3527590)

Such an excellent Christian tone and response. You’re really a great representative.

Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 3527634)

You can argue the tone for sure, but his underlying point seems sound. The federal government sure seems to get full retro when they shut down. I’ve told my reps retro is a must for me. To not get it incentives the company to drag things out.

Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3527635)

No argument on retro. He’s been preaching on another thread and his post above was simply oozing with sweet irony.

Originally Posted by Mooner (Post 3526870)

Even better question, why didn’t you read the post? It says why I’m agnostic. You can put retro value anywhere, from 100% upfront in a check, combination of a check and larger raises for out years, or no retro check and even larger out year raises. The total value at the end is what matters. A simple calculator can tell the whole story. Context gives meaning.

I just went through the calculation for the latest and greatest rumor at United. 15 5 5, not including the 5% coming in 2023. So really it would be 15, 10, 5. It’s unclear whether or how much retro was stipulated in the rumor. Looking at inflation, they would beat it by .6% compounded annually for the 6 year deal. Not great, but a positive number and certainly better than the long term negative number. Any retro will of course move the annual compounded rate higher.

Some will declare victory if we capture inflation. Some will declare victory if we capture inflation plus x%. Everyone’s x is different. Less than 100 retro upfront may do the trick to reach your x depending on what the initial pay raise and outlying years look like.

My personal desire is to maximize the attainable value over the entire contract.

Originally Posted by FL370 (Post 3527615)

He/she/it represents their/them views so classy.