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Scooter432 11-14-2022 08:35 AM
Retro is going to be the battle. Rates will happen…retro is anyone’s best guess, but it needs to be significant.

shock 11-14-2022 08:38 AM
DALFA, you need to stick to the facts as the company themselves have published! FA's have received two 4% raises and one boarding pay addition which for the average domestic FA flying an average line equates to a 16% increase (published in your Q&A section regarding "boarding pay", some will make more and some less). These 3 raises when compounded (added on top of each other) equals 25.5%! FACT

ebl14 11-14-2022 08:39 AM
Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 3531549)
Retro is going to be the battle. Rates will happen…retro is anyone’s best guess, but it needs to be significant.
Im guessing the management asks in scheduling are their main objective. I’d guess they are going to “give” on the other sections to get the mediator on their side to force their scheduling asks through. It sounds like they want to end reserve PB days so they can continue to staff us poorly with fewer consequences.

CBreezy 11-14-2022 08:57 AM
Originally Posted by Crown (Post 3531486)
Where are the automatic no voters? Aside from BB on Facebook
He's probably out flying a GS. Don't worry, he'll post a 10 page response by the end of the day.

hockeypilot44 11-14-2022 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3531504)
Read that thing and tell me what real meat there is in it. There is nothing in there that they haven't been saying for months, except some vague statement about reaching an agreement about vacation. The rest is the same old same old.

Those five remaining sections can easily take MONTHS if not longer. I think it is even a disservice to state that a "full AIP could take place at an upcoming session". Any of you really buying that?

We will see nothing until well into spring if even then.
The remaining sections aren’t complicated. They could easily be done in a week. If the company stalls, we could still be years away. Last TA came out of nowhere. One day we’re all ****ed, the next day we felt like we had won. Turns out that deal was just okay due to company prolonging it way passed the amendable date.

Herkflyr 11-14-2022 09:22 AM
Originally Posted by shock (Post 3531550)
These 3 raises when compounded (added on top of each other) equals 25.5%! FACT
You mean compound interest--also known as "Time Value of Money"--is a real thing? You wouldn't know it when reading some angry posts here (usually accompanied by a liberal sprinkling of "Moakie"). TVM is routinely dismissed--until we want to bring up compounded pay raises for the FAs.

That too, is a FACT.

MongoC5 11-14-2022 09:23 AM
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3531582)
The remaining sections aren’t complicated. They could easily be done in a week. If the company stalls, we could still be years away. Last TA came out of nowhere. One day we’re all ****ed, the next day we felt like we had won. Turns out that deal was just okay due to company prolonging it way passed the amendable date.
Plus don't forget, the company and union easily could of left last week with future offers to discuss in hands...and we don't need a mediated session to continue talking. Not saying we will achieve something ASAP, but the fact these gains occurred so quickly tells me the company finally realizes its time to press on...

Mongo

Rooster435 11-14-2022 09:26 AM
Can we not do the same FA pay argument for the 15th time in the last 3 months, always with the same cast of characters?

notEnuf 11-14-2022 09:48 AM
Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 3531591)
You mean compound interest--also known as "Time Value of Money"--is a real thing? You wouldn't know it when reading some angry posts here (usually accompanied by a liberal sprinkling of "Moakie"). TVM is routinely dismissed--until we want to bring up compounded pay raises for the FAs.

That too, is a FACT.
TVM is a real ting which is why we wait for the right deal. Going forward those numbers compounded are significant. TA1 vs our current PWA is a perfect example. If you were really on board with this concept, a post amenable date escalator mechanism is what you seek.

Herkflyr 11-14-2022 09:56 AM
Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3531621)
TVM is a real ting which is why we wait for the right deal. Going forward those numbers compounded are significant. TA1 vs our current PWA is a perfect example. If you were really on board with this concept, a post amenable date escalator mechanism is what you seek.
I don't disagree. But we also tend to underestimate modest pay raises, on time, compounded on top of each other. Think .300 hitter who gets a lot of doubles and a fair share of HRs, vs a .220 hitter who usually strikes out, but occasionally hits an upper-deck HR that makes it on the highlights. Most managers will take hitter #1.

It seems we are still doing good things here, and I'm encouraged by the latest notepad.


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