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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3580942)

The intent is to liberate people from having to watch open time every day all day without losing opportunities to fly premium pay trips that needn’t be covered immediately.

It will also help with not having to drop everything, pack your bag, leave the house last minute.

I think the definition of silver slip was left out of Sec 2. SS did make it to the acronyms part.

Anyone else notice that our “min calendar day” is not really min calendar day? It only goes toward ADG if not on hard block time. Great if they were abusing you on 3/4 days with a 30 hour but useless if you’re only at 18:30 block on a four day with a thirty hour layover.

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Originally Posted by HandFlyorDie (Post 3581168)

It works exactly as a min calendar day would. It’s a minimum block credit for the day. If thats overridden by a trip rig or adg, that’s another story.

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Originally Posted by HandFlyorDie (Post 3581168)

This is one of many AIP bullets that had me enthusiastic at first, only to be mildly disappointed when the sctual TA language came out.

A5S

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Originally Posted by HandFlyorDie (Post 3581168)

That's actually the point of it, it's a trip construction rig to discourage such hard days around the 30 hr. A lot of these trip rigs are meant to improve schedule quality even with the optimizer.

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Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 3581349)

That's actually the point of it, it's a trip construction rig to discourage such hard days around the 30 hr. A lot of these trip rigs are meant to improve schedule quality even with the optimizer.

If you are at 18:30 block on 3 days, other new rigs will most likely kick in.

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Originally Posted by HandFlyorDie (Post 3581168)

That's the point. It may result in more money in your pockets. But it’s real intent is to discourage the company from building those rotations.

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Originally Posted by FL370 (Post 3581036)

It will also help with not having to drop everything, pack your bag, leave the house last minute.

Nobody seems sure how this will really be implemented. Some people I've talked to say the trip soak is as any other open time trip and it is designated as premium when it is assigned as a SS. I am trying to get clarification but since the language isn't written yet, who knows? All I hear is that it will be corrected. When and what has not been answered.

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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 3580814)

Great catch indeed! I was actually just having this discussion with a co-pilot and we were going back and forth (he’s a no). I told him one of the reasons I went from undecided to yes was because of the 48 hr SS soak. While not perfect it’s a good limiting principle and one of the most important pieces of language in the whole TA.

And now it’s apparently not there. That’s what I get for being lazy and reading the NN and not the actual language.

Question to Viper: Did the union give you a timeline on the language fix? I’m not voting yes due to a promise on APC (not directed at you). Also does this mess up our retro? How can we have seen the language for 45 days if the language has to change?

FWIW, NN, SRH, and Scheduling Alerts are all legally binding, as they are vetted through the company. The language absolutely should be fixed by errata, but even if something is not caught, it is still binding.

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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages (Post 3581340)

This is one of many AIP bullets that had me enthusiastic at first, only to be mildly disappointed when the sctual TA language came out.

A5S

There were people within a week of the AIP NN, myself included, who were stating this was exactly how it was supposed/intended to work, based on conversations with Reps/Negotiators. Again, the intent is to “lessen the suck”, not to pay you more. IOW, it’s a rotation construction improvement, and one of the better ones at that.