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Whoopsmybad 01-31-2023 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3583197)
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4y9Lv9phVkNqbWEGgiddKr?si=MLQZHyrtQFOQ2VhfCIUU6A&u tm_source=copy-link

In case the link isn’t working, look for the Engage podcast on global scope. They cover it

Thruster 01-31-2023 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3583203)
In case the link isn’t working, look for the Engage podcast on global scope. They cover it

Thanks. Working my way backwards down the Spotify list.

Viper25 01-31-2023 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Bait (Post 3583192)
Here’s one…unless I’m missing it in the language, the ability to bid for your training timeline preference on an AE only applies to the 210- or 335-day windows. The language js missing for the 150-day bids (you know, the new “standard” bid that will make up most of our bids). Waiting for confirmation from my rep.

The Negotiators Notepad for that section shows that this is N/A for 150 day bids.

Vsop 01-31-2023 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by Thruster (Post 3583195)
Has anyone at the road shows discussed/explained why narrowbody flying was left out of the global scope agreement? Thanks.

I spoke with the ALPA attorney briefly about it. He claimed they didn’t want Delta NB to cover WB block hours. I thought this was a lazy response. In my opinion it very easily could have been included in global scope as requiring 50% of NB block hours and include language that NB hours cannot meet the WB requirement.
I assume Delta will find a way to operate at the minimum required block hours. To me partner NB flying is one way for them to get there, and the % of seats allowed Delta on those flights is unacceptable.
I also think the minimum required WB block hours is too low.

Family commitments required me to leave before the scope presentation. I hope they post an online version. I really want to like this agreement, and hopefully something in the presentation convinces me to be a yes.

Buck Rogers 01-31-2023 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by Vsop (Post 3583254)
I spoke with the ALPA attorney briefly about it. He claimed they didn’t wand Delta NB to cover WB block hours. I thought this was a lazy response. In my opinion it very easily could have been included in global scope as requiring 50% of NB block hours and include language that NB hours cannot meet the WB requirement.
I assume Delta will find a way to operate at the minimum required block hours. To me partner NB flying is one way for them to get there, and the % of seats allowed Delta on those flights is unacceptable.
I also think the minimum required WB block hours is too low.

Family commitments required me to leave before the scope presentation. I hope they post an online version. I really want to like this agreement, and hopefully something in the presentation convinces me to be a yes.

So let me understand...you want a sales job? I thought those were verboten? Just vote NO and be done with it. No need to agonize over it...then you can have bragging rights until you retire(if you can consider being in a vast minority bragging rights):)

Hotel Kilo 01-31-2023 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Viper25 (Post 3580821)
The information I shared is all the information I know. There was no timeline, but I inferred from the message that the PWA that is signed with ink on March 1 will have the changes. These questions are best directed at a DART and/or roadshow. If anybody does find out, please share.

My apologies I forgot to thank you for ferreting out that silver slip soak piece. That was some good due diligence on your part.

Thanks

Vsop 01-31-2023 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3583256)
So let me understand...you want a sales job? I thought those were verboten? Just vote NO and be done with it. No need to agonize over it...then you can have bragging rights until you retire(if you can consider being in a vast minority bragging rights):)

No sales job required, and my No vote is in. Judging by the MEC 17-0 I might be the only No.
I am hoping there is a better explanation than this for the NB hidden somewhere in a presentation.

tennisguru 01-31-2023 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Vsop (Post 3583269)
No sales job required, and my No vote is in. Judging by the MEC 17-0 I might be the only No.
I am hoping there is a better explanation than this for the NB hidden somewhere in a presentation.

We already have NB protections built in to the existing section 1 scope. This deal expands our protections for WB flying/growth compared to what we already have. The deal was specifically done in order to protect Delta WB flying. It’s not really meant to adjust the NB flying protections that already exists.

Interesting note: according to the union voting email that came out today, if the global scope TA is voted down there “is no requirement for either party to revisit global scope negotiations”…

Vsop 01-31-2023 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3583275)
We already have NB protections built in to the existing section 1 scope. This deal expands our protections for WB flying/growth compared to what we already have. The deal was specifically done in order to protect Delta WB flying. It’s not really meant to adjust the NB flying protections that already exists.

Interesting note: according to the union voting email that came out today, if the global scope TA is voted down there “is no requirement for either party to revisit global scope negotiations”…

I saw that. I’m of the opinion that the company wants global scope badly so they can rotate flying between theaters.

Bait 01-31-2023 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by Viper25 (Post 3583243)
The Negotiators Notepad for that section shows that this is N/A for 150 day bids.

I guess I missed that in the NN. Pretty disappointing that it won’t be available for the bast majority of our bids. You’d think once the programming is done, it wouldn’t be any more difficult to include all the bid periods.


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