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CBreezy 03-07-2023 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by BCan (Post 3603533)
If this is my 3-step mission+ technique….will it need to be modified once the paper flight plan is discarded?

1) scribble the release sig & ask FO if I can scribble for him (or he can scribble on my iPad)
2) other documents; open older flight plan format
3) open inflight tracking once airborne

In reference to point 2, I believe that is going away is only there in the interim to help in a pinch if you can't find what you're looking for..

Machsp 03-07-2023 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3602819)
How will they know it was you that certified it? The kid that just visited the flight deck to pee in your seat and leave lice in your hat also certified your restfulness.

You're literally the one unlocking your ipad!! You're the reason why Delta is stuck in the 1980s. I bet you love hitting F12 to save.

Jaww 03-07-2023 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3603567)
It's not gaslighting. It's a genuine question. I genuinely want to know what is being highlighted and why? And trying to see if maybe there are ways to adjust once paper goes away.

I will take you at your word.

Im just starting to think I might not even do a lineup card anymore and that will solve the problem.

notEnuf 03-07-2023 12:21 PM

I'll just wait for the USB-D mind meld jack install. This physical body is becoming obsolete. Gesturing, swiping and poking at a screen is soooo this decade.

Iceberg 03-07-2023 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Machsp (Post 3603577)
You're literally the one unlocking your ipad!! You're the reason why Delta is stuck in the 1980s. I bet you love hitting F12 to save.

My phone has a keyboard but it doesn’t have an F12.

captkdobbs 03-07-2023 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3603383)
Honest question. What are you highlighting?

I highlight stuff on the HTML so it stands out. Much of the highlight focus is done for me in the way M+ categorizes things so I don't need AS much.

Most of what I currently highlight helps me not miss things during the FMS load: ETP point coordinates in a field of coordinates, step-climbs in a field of howgozit text, NOTAMS that I want to emphasize during brief or remember in 9 hours (I've got a great memory, but dang, is it short).

Everyone has their technique. I use highlighting to emphasize things to which I want to draw attention. I agree that it needs to be added to M+.

CBreezy 03-07-2023 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by captkdobbs (Post 3603608)
I highlight stuff on the HTML so it stands out. Much of the highlight focus is done for me in the way M+ categorizes things so I don't need AS much.

Most of what I currently highlight helps me not miss things during the FMS load: ETP point coordinates in a field of coordinates, step-climbs in a field of howgozit text, NOTAMS that I want to emphasize during brief or remember in 9 hours (I've got a great memory, but dang, is it short).

Everyone has their technique. I use highlighting to emphasize things to which I want to draw attention. I agree that it needs to be added to M+.

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I'm not saying highlight shouldn't be included. It should and I believe it will be coming.

As far as the things you listed (can't speak to ETP) but step climbs are detailed on page one of flight prep. And NOTAMs can be designated with levels of importance which is effectively highlighting.

I do understand that highlighting is key in the current product because nothing is filtered out or emphasized. And I know people have gotten used to going through and highlighting pretty much everything as a method of reviewing. I was just trying to see why people were highlighting to see if it was buried in the app and whether it can be pulled out for easier use. For example, the dashboard is hot garbage that should be a summary of literally everything you would need to know but it currently isn't.

LumberJack 03-10-2023 02:48 PM

I give up. Haven't touched HTML to really force myself to get proficient. I know where everything is and I have a flow that works... and it's still a clunky piece of crap. Constantly tapping to find required information that could easily be on one screen.

NOTAM filtering will be just that... A filter. It won't improve the layout. It won't improve the general waste of space that M+ likes to utilize. Every page is full of wasted space. Seriously, who designed this? Who is making the improvements? I seems like they have one intern at Navblue and one at Delta running things.

HTML isn't even that great... but it is definitely better than paper.

The sad thing is I'd rather use paper than M+.

I've filed my FCRs. Now I'm going back to HTML until the official cutover.

Trip7 03-11-2023 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3605688)
I give up. Haven't touched HTML to really force myself to get proficient. I know where everything is and I have a flow that works... and it's still a clunky piece of crap. Constantly tapping to find required information that could easily be on one screen.

NOTAM filtering will be just that... A filter. It won't improve the layout. It won't improve the general waste of space that M+ likes to utilize. Every page is full of wasted space. Seriously, who designed this? Who is making the improvements? I seems like they have one intern at Navblue and one at Delta running things.

HTML isn't even that great... but it is definitely better than paper.

The sad thing is I'd rather use paper than M+.

I've filed my FCRs. Now I'm going back to HTML until the official cutover.

How many flights have you done with it? For me it gets easier after every flight and I've only done around 5 with Mission Plus. It's got really good potential especially when the text is adjusted for better use of screenspace

JamesBond 03-11-2023 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3605843)
How many flights have you done with it? For me it gets easier after every flight and I've only done around 5 with Mission Plus. It's got really good potential especially when the text is adjusted for better use of screenspace

I still don't get the hate. It is logically broken up to mimic the way we used to tear up the flight plans, the NOTAMS and weather will show as read if you look at them for a certain period of time. The little up/down arrows on the bottom left make zipping thru the tabs easy peasy... I don't see anything clunky at all in that.


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