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CBreezy 04-04-2023 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by FL370 (Post 3618877)
This is my absolute biggest gripe about +. I download the HTML just for this.

You can view the landing time on the second page of the enroute portion. You don't need to scroll all the way to bottom of your HOWGOZIT. Its completely unacceptable that they didn't put any of that data in a place that's easy to read.

Trip7 04-04-2023 10:54 AM

I've gotten very used to Mission+ and now am a fan of the product because of its potential. With a few fixed it will be better than HTML and there is still a ton more updates to go.

Also, looks like the signature drama will soon come to an end. Latest ACARS update, at least on the 73N, has password boxes for each pilot which will serve as signature. Ex ASA folks it's the same exact format we had on the CRJ

GogglesPisano 04-04-2023 11:02 AM

It's slowly growing on me. A few advantages over PDF/HTML:

1) The WX assessment times are calculated for you. This comes in handy for ETOPS alternate assessment.
2) Landing time vis-a-vis Target Landing Window is updated when you log the OFF time in the Nav Log.

Well, that's about it.

The NOTAMS are still a God-awful mess: Disorganized with lots of duplications.
Flag vs Domestic is nowhere to be seen unless you look at the fuel pages.
I sincerely hope we will not be passing out iPads around to sign the FDRA. That's just silly.
It loads the flight plan 10 minutes later than when it's actually available, right about when we are dropped off curbside.

LumberJack 04-04-2023 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3618901)
It's slowly growing on me. A few advantages over PDF/HTML:

1) The WX assessment times are calculated for you. This comes in handy for ETOPS alternate assessment.
2) Landing time vis-a-vis Target Landing Window is updated when you log the OFF time in the Nav Log.

Well, that's about it.

The NOTAMS are still a God-awful mess: Disorganized with lots of duplications.
Flag vs Domestic is nowhere to be seen unless you look at the fuel pages.
I sincerely hope we will not be passing out iPads around to sign the FDRA. That's just silly.
It loads the flight plan 10 minutes later than when it's actually available, right about when we are dropped off curbside.

It's worrisome we have to rely on Navblue servers. That was the reason it was delayed most recently. We are adding an unreliable middleman between pilots and flight plans.

LumberJack 04-04-2023 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3618901)
It's slowly growing on me. A few advantages over PDF/HTML:

1) The WX assessment times are calculated for you. This comes in handy for ETOPS alternate assessment.
2) Landing time vis-a-vis Target Landing Window is updated when you log the OFF time in the Nav Log.

Well, that's about it.

The NOTAMS are still a God-awful mess: Disorganized with lots of duplications.
Flag vs Domestic is nowhere to be seen unless you look at the fuel pages.
I sincerely hope we will not be passing out iPads around to sign the FDRA. That's just silly.
It loads the flight plan 10 minutes later than when it's actually available, right about when we are dropped off curbside.

That seems more like a glitch than a feature. Why would the target landing time change? I thought that was more about gate availability/schedule integrity/fuel savings. M+ doesn't know about any of those things.

hockeypilot44 04-04-2023 12:59 PM

It was pretty neat to get an inflight update for an ATC route change. Unfortunately, it came as a standard paper pdf file and didn’t update the navlog so I couldn’t actually insert any times or FOB for the new points.

GogglesPisano 04-04-2023 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3618928)
That seems more like a glitch than a feature. Why would the target landing time change? I thought that was more about gate availability/schedule integrity/fuel savings. M+ doesn't know about any of those things.

I probably wasn't clear: The TLW does not change at all. But you're estimated on time needs to be updated once airborne (HOWGOZIT and FMS PROG.)

hockeypilot44 04-04-2023 08:48 PM

I like how the home page doesn’t have load fuel or min fuel anywhere, but tells you in big numbers how many notams there are for each airport.

Does anyone ever care about the amount of notams? Why would they put the number of notams on the home page? This app is garbage. There was no thought put into it. They should trash it and start over.

LumberJack 04-04-2023 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3619137)
I like how the home page doesn’t have load fuel or min fuel anywhere, but tells you in big numbers how many notams there are for each airport.

Does anyone ever care about the amount of notams? Why would they put the number of notams on the home page? This app is garbage. There was no thought put into it. They should trash it and start over.

It's obvious whoever designed this is an amateur and most definitely not a pilot. They keep toting that it's SOOO customizable. Unfortunately the person performing these customizations is ignorant of basic human factors. It's like trying to explain physics to an English major... They sort of understand, but not really. The people running this show dropped the ball.

2StgTurbine 04-04-2023 11:47 PM

The fact that it doesn't push flight plans as soon as they are available is a big fail for me. Why can't it just send the flight info as soon as the dispatcher releases it?


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