Ok. Which aspects are you guessing at then? Don’t spew vitriol, give substance.

Here’s a mulligan while James is pondering.

The sun setting of the Covid LOA was immediate, and likely saved the Company a few bucks. It’s been debated as a “concession” on this board.

I think that getting Covid excluded from sick look back and the new provisions for a future pandemic far outweigh the tenuous value of the LOA that was negotiated during the deepest depths of the pandemic, and according to my reps was never really envisioned as something that would continue unchallenged for the rest of time. For that reason, I’m completely fine with the trade and don’t personally think it was concessionary in the traditional sense.

Pay Banding was also immediate.

Helps the company with training costs and churn... Which requires less pilots in those categories. (Far outweighs the hit for additional pay on the 330/765)

Increased distance learning pay was immediate. Throwing two extra meals on a flight at a combined cost of about $18 seemed seemed like an almost no/low cost item for a company of Delta's size. But maybe I don't know enough to know I don't know enough.

So you are a big fan of featherbedding and forcing needless training churn to "create jobs"? That reminds me of an American CEO traveling overseas and looking at a construction project. He noticed lots of workers with shovels but no heavy equipment. He asked "where's the heavy equipment?" The answer was "we don't use it because forcing everyone to use a shovel creates more jobs." His answer was "well then why not just tell everyone to use spoons?"

So in your perspective, 330 and 765 pilots should have disdain for their own pay raises, which were a "concession"? That doesn't pass the common sense test.

I was lucky enough to get into a “spirited” conversation with a gate agent last week over this. Fortunately there was a red coat at the podium that informed the rude gate agent of her ignorance.

Just because it’s in the PWA now, doesn’t mean that the company decided to tell ACS.

I didn't say any of that.

Screen shot the PWA and just show them. Saves the “spirited” part of the conversation. I’ve done it with that and the JS not counting as weight when payload optimized.

I’ve decided if I’m denied boarding, my technique will be;

1) immediately post on flight family (for all to see) that I was denied boarding. Post flights affected by my missed DH and that I’m contacting crew tracking.
2) contact crew tracking for re-booking.

I think gate agents would get the memo very quickly if this is a common technique.

So that was on the companies demand list? Who would have thought it would be so easy to get pay banding?

thats going to work great when you’re denied your boarding priority, not boarding entirely.

FCR it and move on

LoL

Yeah right. FCR it it. You must be relatively new to Delta.

Um hmm, that'll work (sarc). Do you really know what they do with our FCR's ?? Give you a hint; looks like a doughnut, rhymes with scoop (no offense meant to a mod).

Obvious you don't DH out of the ATL often.

the FCR is going to get a lot further than they hypothetical tantrum I quoted.

There was a memo sent out after our TA passed informing the ACS agents about it.. now did they read it? Who knows.

I bet the ACS reading percentage is the same as pilots reading JL emails.

I’ll just throw this here since it seems like a good spot. Under the new contract I would have made 600$ extra last night for the extra time in the day (not implemented yet).

Now with that being said I think captains need to start thinking really hard about extending. I can see clueless captains pushing FOs to keep going so they can get paid extra.

If I’m reading this scenario wrong my bad, but I’m suddenly worried about the safety implications of paying people extra to fly longer when they are tired. Could creat conflict on the flight deck as well. Food for thought.

For me going forward, as a captain I’m going to give zero indications of where I lie. I will make sure the FO answers first without any of my bias involved. And if I feel like we need a break, then I’m going to pull the plug on our operation regardless of what they want (obviously this stands now no matter what, just highlighting that you may not be getting the real story from the FO). My 2cents

I know some FOs might be pushed, but it needs to be emphasized that the CA has absolutely ZERO say on another pilot's fitness for duty. I had to remind a captain awhile ago that I would set my own rest and ready time with the duty pilot.

Yep. Absolutely no money hungry FO’s out there who would now be incentivized to strongly suggest to the captain to extend.

I’m hearing your premise but let’s not pretend FO’s don’t push too.

Huh? How did you infer that I’m “pretending FOs don’t push too”?

Captain is the ultimate authority. It’s good to ponder these scenarios. I don’t mention FOs because any good captain wouldn’t give 2 sh1ts what an FO thinks about his ability to continue if the captain doesn’t feel like it’s the safe thing. This food for thought is meant for captains since, you know, they are in charge.

If anyone thinks a probie new hire might not keep going because a captain wants some extra cheddar is delusional
Some people on here just want conflict in every thread lol

It’s an individual decision.
captains opinion has no influence ….

Ironic considering the source. Yes the capt is the final authority, not necessarily the ultimate. Freudian slip?

You seem offended someone questioned you. Not a great trait for a Capt tbh.

The truth is we have some very senior, very savvy FO’s who work way harder than many captains at increasing the bottom line. We also have some very young new captains who haven’t quite yet come into their own and could be influenced by a senior FO.

You’re 100% wrong saying the Capt is in charge when it comes to deciding to extend or not. FO has sole authority over him/herself on that one.

Ok man let’s play this game
Please quote where I “pretend FOs won’t push”
Also please quote where I say the captain is the only person in charge of extending Within the context of not giving the option to the other pilot

You are looking to fight when I’m merely talking to other captains about a safety concern.

Fwiw I agree with you on both those points, they are not what is being discussed. If you want to argue with yourself have at it.

Thanks for playing.

This of course is the correct answer. Is this reality?

I don't think anyone has said anything contrary

You specifically said “clueless captains” in your original post. I simply pointed out that it’s not only captains who push. Your feelings got hurt, you took it personally and here we are.

Like you, I’m out.

On a personal note, I broach the topic of extending after my abort brief vs waiting until we are faced with the decision real time. I’m not going to detail that dialogue here but no FO I fly with will ever feel pressured to extend.

Only experience I’ve had where it wasn’t is last time I was getting checked out. LCA just extended us, I didn’t realize until after the fact. Was pretty ****ed and we had a talk.

Nah brother, you are looking to argue and now run when told there was nothing to argue. It’s all good. I forgive you

Hubcapped is a piece of work.

Thanks dude!

Since you decided join the party, what exactly was invalid about my comment? Don’t be coy now, be explicit

LoL

So naive

Bless your heart