C2019 Rotation Differences
 

How do the rotations look after the new soft-time work rules are implemented? Starting this thread to document how the new contract starts to change rotation quality or pay.

Tell me you haven’t read MOU 23-01 without telling me you haven’t read MOU 23-01…

Required implementation changes are limited by a “no later than” clause and the company is entitled to implement changes to the optimizer early to assess staffing requirements.

At least one book face poster has already seen the one hour of SCC above reserve guarantee

Got rerouted yesterday. Our trip is now getting in later than original rotation. Called crew assist to secure a company business for my commute back home per the new PWA….. no problem!

Thats music to a fellow commuter’s ears!

Thats awesome. What a QOL Booster!

Got my commuter parking benefit (PWA 24 S 2) paid for!

what's the process for this?

were there seats available or did they have to bump a passenger? this has been one of my curiosities about this new benefit. will they fight us if it's booked full?

:confused::cool::D

ok

He's new around here I'd bet.

Why would the company intentionally make the upcoming summer disaster be worse than it already will be? I can’t imagine they’ll do that ‘just to see.’

The timing of this thread just made me wonder whether it was a good faith question; were you ignorant of the NLT implementation or just preparing ammunition for why we all should have voted no… or are you merely incredibly optimistic.

Personally, I think the company will wait until the bitter end to implement the best stuff, but would love to be pleasantly surprised. The reroute stuff is certainly nice to see.

so just to follow up, the article on DeltaNet that explains the implementation schedule says the 2023 parking benefit will be paid out as a special payment in January 2024. that begs the question, what did you really get?

I’ve been applying the soft pay provisions to my rotations the last 2 months, and nearly ALL of them pay significantly more $$. And most of them have MDG that will count towards the LCW meaning I have to work LESS.

I don’t care when they’re implemented. Fact is, they’re coming…..and now codified in the PWA.

And don’t tell me the rotations will change so they don’t have to pay. We don’t have staffing for it. And if we do? GREAT!!! No more 10+ hour FDPs and 30hr layovers!

It doesn't take much for the EDP to stack up. A long duty day or two in a 4 day quickly pays an extra 4 hours, making that 21 hour rotation pay 25.

My guess is that the "ugly" rotations, if they still exist, will get snapped up by those that want the $$$ and go uber senior.

Wouldn't just getting in on time without the reroute be the real QoL booster?

Sure, but without this TA he/she would be getting a poke in the eye with nothing to show. Now at least you get something for it, and if it costs enough, long term we will see behavior change. If it doesn’t change, we get more for the problem that would have happened anyways! ;)

I’m new. But also,

Pretty optimistic.

I understand the April package is not limited by the new rules.

But let’s see what happens.

the bid packages won’t change until the rules do. Why would they?

The goodness of EB's heart.

Before the DLnet article came out, I asked the CPO, who asked pilot assist. They said upload a receipt to Concur. I did exactly that and it was approved and sent for funding the same day.

What if we paid for 2023 in 2022?

Thats what I did. September 22 to September 23. My receipt showed as much.

So they get at least one practice round

It doesn't matter. No matter how little or how much you spend on parking in 2023, or when you pay for 2023, everyone 80+ miles from a base will get the $400 paid out in Jan 2024 with no receipts required. Starting in Jan 2024 commuters will have to submit receipts for reimbursement.

excuse the total ignorance please…I’ve been reimbursed for years for parking from my commuter airport. Did this change this contract for real?

What's your commuter airport? We're able to use employee parking at flight attendant bases.

Agreed.

Filller

So I prepay for parking, and then a year later the company reimburses me for more than I paid? This is dumb.

I think I’m gonna do this. Throw my receipt in Concur and see what happens.

You're mad you're getting more than you paid?

This is the first I’ve ever heard of something like this. Have I just been eating parking costs for years?

It annoys me that I don’t get reimbursed for 2023 until 2024, when I paid in 2022.

Time value of money and all that :rolleyes:

Are you LAX based?

Reroute question. Line holder.

Awarded: Fly base to X. Layover. DH from X to base.
Reroute: Fly base to X. Layover. Fly from X to Y, DH to base. Arrive many hours later than scheduled.

Does the DH not count as “a flight segment that commences after the arrival of the last flight segment as the rotation then exists.” Wasn’t supposed to operate again at all. Feels bad and new reroute pay isn’t until august…

1) I’m 99% sure that is a legal reroute, as it is not tag on flying. It would only be tag on flying if they rerouted you after you arrived back in your base from your deadhead

2) if you get back to base more than 4 hours later (not sure what your definition of “many” is) the entire duty period qualifies for reroute pay at 200%. New reroute rules do not need to take effect for that.

3) if you are a commuter you now qualify for PS home and a hotel room in base if necessary.

There were no seats left. They put me ahead of the HK’s and also put me in EC when the seats became available.

reroute was due to mechanical and us not extending.

great to hear!