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Gspeed 03-11-2023 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by First Break (Post 3606294)
Min Day Pay, Sit Pay, Vacation Pay, Training pay, Short Call pay, ADG carve out Pay, Increase to Unverified sick lookback, 18 hour long call, staffing formula and reserve required improvements. All in place by this summer.

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative. MOU23-01 is available for review at the end of the contract.

And there’s an equally long list of gains that don’t go into effect until after that. Facts and all.

JetPilotDaddy 03-11-2023 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by First Break (Post 3606294)
Min Day Pay, Sit Pay, Vacation Pay, Training pay, Short Call pay, ADG carve out Pay, Increase to Unverified sick lookback, 18 hour long call, staffing formula and reserve required improvements. All in place by this summer.

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative. MOU23-01 is available for review at the end of the contract.

I've seen the 1 hr above guarantee hit my pay sheet towards the end of each of my SCs. It is nice to see. May's schedule awards will be interesting with the 18 hr starting.

DryClutch 03-12-2023 01:53 AM


Originally Posted by JetPilotDaddy (Post 3606313)
I've seen the 1 hr above guarantee hit my pay sheet towards the end of each of my SCs. It is nice to see. May's schedule awards will be interesting with the 18 hr starting.

This. I purposely bid a reserve sked with a consistent pattern of three days on/four days off the majority of the month, and with most of my on-call blocks being only 3 days in length, combined with an 18hr leash, i wonder will I work even less than I already do and maybe just get tagged with a few more SC's?

ColoradoAviator 03-12-2023 03:30 AM


Originally Posted by JetPilotDaddy (Post 3606313)
May's schedule awards will be interesting with the 18 hr starting.

18-hour long call starts no later than 6/2/2023 per MOU 23-01. Are you thinking the company will implement it earlier?

First Break 03-12-2023 03:43 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3606310)
And there’s an equally long list of gains that don’t go into effect until after that. Facts and all.

No argument there, but the OP stated:

“Most of the soft pay gains that will either make QoL better or enrichen us do not go into effect until after another red hot summer.”

I was demonstrating that most (not all) of the soft pay gains will, in fact, be in place for the summer. No matter how many times people try to say otherwise, the lions share of items that will drive increased pay do start before the summer.

There are certainly other items which are deferred, but the OP mentioned specifically that “soft pay gains” didn’t kick in until after summer, which just isn’t true.

notEnuf 03-12-2023 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by First Break (Post 3606352)
No argument there, but the OP stated:

“Most of the soft pay gains that will either make QoL better or enrichen us do not go into effect until after another red hot summer.”

I was demonstrating that most (not all) of the soft pay gains will, in fact, be in place for the summer. No matter how many times people try to say otherwise, the lions share of items that will drive increased pay do start before the summer.

There are certainly other items which are deferred, but the OP mentioned specifically that “soft pay gains” didn’t kick in until after summer, which just isn’t true.

8/31/2023 appears in the MOU 9 times. Those are mostly Sect. 12 changes. Section 12 is Hours of Service. it's fair to say QOL doesn't really kick in until after (another "hot" ;)) summer. Most of the changes prior are penalty pay not actual schedule improvements.

Baradium 03-12-2023 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3606385)
8/31/2023 appears in the MOU 9 times. Those are mostly Sect. 12 changes. Section 12 is Hours of Service. it's fair to say QOL doesn't really kick in until after (another "hot" ;)) summer. Most of the changes prior are penalty pay not actual schedule improvements.

That's moving the goalposts. Also, the penalty pay items were designed to improve schedule quality in the optimizer.

notEnuf 03-12-2023 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Baradium (Post 3606388)
That's moving the goalposts. Also, the penalty pay items were designed to improve schedule quality in the optimizer.

How is restating the facts of the MOU moving goalposts? And let's hope there aren't design flaws, but either way we won't really find out until we have June 2024 under our belts, that's 16 months.

Baradium 03-12-2023 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3606415)
How is restating the facts of the MOU moving goalposts? And let's hope there aren't design flaws, but either way we won't really find out until we have June 2024 under our belts, that's 16 months.

Saying that the pay rigs don't start along with qol items was where it started. Saying the pay rigs that are designed to be QOL items don't count is very much moving goal posts.

Hillbilly 03-12-2023 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by JetPilotDaddy (Post 3606313)
I've seen the 1 hr above guarantee hit my pay sheet towards the end of each of my SCs. It is nice to see. May's schedule awards will be interesting with the 18 hr starting.


Originally Posted by DryClutch (Post 3606347)
This. I purposely bid a reserve sked with a consistent pattern of three days on/four days off the majority of the month, and with most of my on-call blocks being only 3 days in length, combined with an 18hr leash, i wonder will I work even less than I already do and maybe just get tagged with a few more SC's?

Since the 18 hour leash doesn't start until the June bid period, I don't think you'll be as happy with that bid if you put it in for next month. We've got just shy of two months before we even bid for it.


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