This line of reasoning cracks me up. Aren't reps supposed to represent their individual council? If their Council voted 80% + in favor and they voted no, did they represent their councils will??? I mean the overall percentage worked out (by coincidence) but so what.

If you are offline full time, you are paid 94.5 hours and are expected to work 18 days in the office in ATL. The only way to fly on full time FPL is to do a trip buy. You get per diem and your “pay” for the trip is offset against your FPL. You can’t white slip or green slip or anything else.

If you are not on full time FPL, the rules vary based on reg vs reserve and preposted leave vs leave posted after you have a schedule. Those pilots can green slip like everyone else. There is no cap to what they can make, although some alpa leave is caped if you go over 94.5.

The officers and the chair and vice of the busier committees are in full time FPL. Most committee members come in for a certain amount of time each month (1-2 weeks) and fly the rest of the time.

The vast vast majority of ALPA volunteers get paid little to no FPL to do their jobs. They do it on their off time when the rest of you are out on your 3rd boat and they do it for your, not their, benefit. To claim otherwise is ignorant..

Pilots on full time ALPA leave (officers, committee chairs, etc) cannot pick up premium time. Their pay is capped at 94.5 hours in the Policy Manual, and there are specific office time requirements. Any flying that they do for currency is unpaid.

LEC reps are paid same as line pilots, which they are. They get individual trip drops as ALPA duties require. Their FPL drops are capped at the same 94.5. Any additional ALPA duty must be banked. Their days dropped must equal ALPA duty, otherwise their bank is debited, and if their overall bank is negative, cannot received FPL until it is repaid. Why would a LEC rep do ALPA duty at straight pay when it rains GS/IAs constantly?

I totally get wanting to go on a rant, but at least have the facts right.

I don't know why they do ALPA duty and I don't care. Maybe they are afraid of flying. Just stop referring to them as volunteers. 94.5 hours of pay for "expected" 18 days in the office is not volunteering.

That may be true in the regional world, but not here. The committees which have the work level to justify fpl, get it. Everything done by scheduling, training, r&i, comm, contract admin, etc is done by people on fpl. There certainly is work that exceeds fpl, and that is done on true volunteer time. The smaller committees get as hoc fpl, and do much of their work while not receiving fpl.

I would say that there is work within DAL ALPA that is true volunteer, but not a majority. I would also say that most people who receive fpl do more work than would be required by the policy manual.

94.5 hours for 18 days of work is also far less than what people do on the line.

I'm talking about LEC/MEC members that are compensated for their time.

But you knew that.

So what? Still doesn't make them volunteers.

are you mad about the pay or just the wording?