Well, he volunteered to do union work(thereby making him a volunteer wannabe) until he got turned down. maybe that accounts for some of the butthurt?

Did the chief pilot put a gun against your head and force you to become a LCA, or did you weigh the pro/cons and then decide using your free will to do the additional duty, knowing their was extra pay involved?

Either you are both volunteers, or no?

It’s not worth conversing with that guy. He’s a victim in his own head and no amount of facts or logic can breach his impenetrable armor of ignorance and victimhood. His view of himself as a victim has penetrated to the cellular level; it’s who he is now. Everything is an outrage and there’s no justice. Anyone who disagrees just wants him to die so they can take his seat.

When faced with actual facts, he simply ignores those posts and moves to another topic to screech about. He’s a bad faith poster and the fact that he’s a LCA is pathetic and embarrassing for this airline.

Claims to be a LCA on the A350 but supposedly lives in a house one step above a trailer that nobody here would ever think about living in. Clearly there’s something wrong with this guy, and I just hope one day he gets whatever help he needs. Until then, it’s pointless to respond to his impotent rants.

Y'all are a blast.

At least you got that contraction correct.

With the benefit of hind sight, but then why have an MEC? Or all votes could be roll call so they get the percentages right based on polling. :rolleyes:

I'm a paid volunteer. Delta paid me a few years back to do EAA young eagles rides. The choice to work in an office in ATL is what I question. You couldn't pay me enough.

Isn't that exactly what they did regarding at least one of the inviolable 'pillars'?

Oh for Pete’s sake, please stop. Please.

inviolable? Interesting take

truth hurts?

LOL. No, because you’ve been beating that drum for 100+ separate posts about it.

Does “laces out!” mean anything to you?

They offered you an early out.....that was your retirement pillar.....really should have taken it

As a 350A LCP, he probably always has people nodding along to his unhinged rants. He can't fathom that anyone would disagree with him.

LOL Yeah, you got me.

And how exactly would that have worked? Was there some kind of bonus that wasn't published?

You are a Jim Carey fan?

blank slate on retirement: for you, what would a satisfactory contract result have been for c19? What kind of numbers and format did you want?

Something greater than the zero we got.

No I get it. But it's a trap question. Because anything I say you are going to turn into a "yeah but we aren't getting that so it's coming out of MY pocket so **** you".

Remember this. You didn't lose your retirement either. You are benefitting directly from what was taken from us and the way it was done. And you responded that retirement wasn't important to you because you have your full retirement from Delta.

Even better, you got to leave this miserable union, and you still got paid! I'm shocked how many miserable 60+ yr olds I'm still flying with. Must have missed the memo

Can somebody explain why LA, with around 1,000 pilots needs Reps who never fly and Atlanta with 4,800 pilots have Reps that do fly?

I was out in LA for lounge week several times. Never once saw anyone at the ALPA table. Not once, middle of the morning or afternoon. An empty chair making half a million a year in pay and benefits.

The LA pilots re-elected them.

An elected Treasurer isn’t enforcing the rules against those who elected him.

ALPA needs a judiciary function.

I'm not at all miserable. I love my job. So much that I am really hoping to stay to 67 or even longer.

Hahaha….well played.

I’ll have to reread the contract, I could have sworn it included a 12.5% increase in retirement funding. Here I thought 12.5 was greater than 0.

With all these strawmen, who needs actually discussions?

He isn't interested in intellectual discussion. He just wants to snipe from the cheap seats

Don't care for the recently passed TA?

Hoping for something better next time around?

Forcefully worded letters are a start. Cathartic, anyway. Useful? Not so much.

But building a constituency and storming the castle to take over the LECs and MECs for the next TA needs to begin now.

Small but tightly organized groups with extremely narrow interests always dominate in politics and organizations of any size.

(I'm actually happy enough with the current TA. Does anyone here talk to other airline pilots, much less normal people? 1 year ER captains, and $400k/yr for top-of-pay scale captains? Holy crêpe, we're a spoiled bunch.

It wouldn't be that difficult to storm the barricades and dominate the agenda for the next turning of the wheel though. The MEC is nominally your "governing body". It's not the Holy See, however. Voting turnouts for LEC reps are insanely low, and will decrease over the next couple of years as everyone accepts the "new normal" that is the current TA. Want to have a major impact/influence on the next TA? The time to plot and plan is Right. Friking. Now.)

There's no better book about this than: The Populist Delusion - Neema Parvina. Everything you ever wanted to know about how actual politics truly work. Best book I've read in a decade. It's a SERIOUS ENDEAVOUR.

Whining on an online forum, or reading a statement at a MEC meeting, isn't going to move a needle.

This coming from the lackey scope guy, puppet of 2012. What’s your current angle?

You use big words, and I’ve decided it’s easier to say “I’m not smart”. (Literally gets you out of any discussion, yet normally fuels intentions..)

What are you really wanting to covey? Is it “we will get em next time” or “benchmark here and move up”? Contract passed, what’s the concept going forward? The Holy See beacons the idea of eternal life, which is far from eternal life in a contractual iteration.

I’ve been in LA since the current reps were elected. I have rarely heard any negative comments about them from actual LA pilots.

Can somebody explain why some ATL pilots have an odd fixation with the LA reps?

Either it's okay to be not current as a rep or it's not. It doesn't matter if you think that are doing a good job.

You're kidding right? The comms out of C16 are embarrassing.

This is very true but the sentiment and advocacy for their own pilots shows through with great vigor. I have a hard time reading the comms but everyone says they are selfish and overreaching in regards to the flying, they are staunch supporters of their state sick, (even for pilots from Montana) they advocated for training times commensurate with base circadian rhythm, and will always respond to calls etc. That's called representation. IMHO the ATL reps carry themselves like an overweight bully with a hall pass and an "understanding" with the dean.

I should not have commented on the LA Reps. Their council is decided by LA pilots. I am not an LA Pilot.

The cross council sniping is bad. Sorry I contributed to it.

So for the 50th time, what number would satisfy you?

You have never once said a number or percentage that would make you feel like you weren't short-changed. Why don't you try us before assuming we'd immediately say no. With how much you've talked about this you MUST have some kind of number in mind...

And saying we got zero is false. It may not be what you wanted or what ALPA's goal was but going to 18% DC is an improvement and is not zero. Yes it is not immediate, but it is happening.

He's a self perceived deadzoner (never mind that most of the actual deadzoners retired years ago, and unlike them, he actually did have many years to make it up as a 350 LCA pulling down half a mil a year, but I digress).

He wants an MBCP with a min balance of $300,000 plus the 18% DC. Preferably, he'd like $2 million, because what's what he thinks the company stole from him, and wants the "juniors" as they call everyone on chitchat to pay for it, because "we owe him". Like the rest of the boomers, he's part of the greed, entitlement, and victimization generation.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

I would have been happy to get a COLA (same as SS) on the frozen DB.

Well now I feel bad. That’s all he wants from pilots who were playing little league when his employer went bankrupt?

Anyone know how I can divert my retirement withholdings to his account? In just over four years of transferring my 415c limit into his account he’ll have his 300k and the world will once again be fair.

Actually, inflation’s a bi7c4…better make it a full five years of diversion just so I feel better about the arrangement.

You guys are hilarious. He wants a retirement increase, he never said anyone should pay except DAL. I think someone is whining about fairness if they want something and it doesn't benefit everyone exactly equally. Retirement, commute clause, pay rates, new hire hotels and uniforms (more retirement should have happened way before this one), LCA bump, etc. The pie is only "this big" is a defeatist mind set.

Actually a lot of us were working other crappy jobs and are stuck there during bankruptcy and after for a long time with age 65.