View Poll Results: After November 1st, I'll be wearing the...
Single-breasted jacket
180
42.96%
Double-breasted jacket
239
57.04%
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Jacket Poll
03-21-2023, 07:09 AM
#141
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,544
Originally Posted by TegridyFarms
Double breasted. Hopefully not made by Zac Posen. And hopefully it doesn’t turn my urine a different color. Crazy thing is, there are about 5,000 people who won’t get this reference.
03-24-2023, 07:17 AM
#142
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,522
Originally Posted by ancman
That was Steve Dickson’s position, but the lawyers ultimately didn’t see it that way. Many of them did a fine job providing their labor availability from wherever they were up until that incident. Again, I don’t condone what they did, but the only product of their actions was one missed assignment. There are lower penalties that normally apply to that.
03-27-2023, 05:06 AM
#143
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
Originally Posted by Hubcapped
They were bidding reserve on purpose knowing they would not be available. They were stealing. They should have been fired. I get what you are trying to say, but I completely disagree with you here. A one off, I didn’t check my schedule before bed and missed my report, is very different.
Again I’m saying this respectfully, I really understand your point about full representation, innocent until proven guilty, I believe this is different and would have no problem with them being fired. Same as if you showed up drunk. Time to do something else as you are now untrustworthy
Again I’m saying this respectfully, I really understand your point about full representation, innocent until proven guilty, I believe this is different and would have no problem with them being fired. Same as if you showed up drunk. Time to do something else as you are now untrustworthy
03-29-2023, 07:17 PM
#144
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 51
Originally Posted by Lou Reed
That be what grinds my gears. All this spirit of inclusivity, which is all great. But, why do us pilots seem to get left out of it all? Not that I'm clamoring for man buns, flock of seagulls, NFL defensive back dreads, or whatever other leeway our cabin crew get in the spirit of "you be you". I just want to be able to have a beard like every foreign pilot group has had for decades. Yet, it's still 1955 when it comes to our appearance. What is the disconnect here? Are we not human? Do we not bleed? I am not an animal!
Just look at all the threads this year alone with hundreds of comments with pilots arguing back and forth over how many buttons a blazer should have, why only mustaches are professional, or the importance of hats. If pilot appearance is ever to evolve, its your fellow pilots that you need to convince.
03-30-2023, 05:25 AM
#145
Leaves Biscoff crumbs
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Position: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Posts: 1,336
Originally Posted by Podracer
My answer to this is that it is entirely self imposed. It is pilots themselves that are holding us back, its not exactly the company and its definitely not the public. Airline pilots are a very homogenous profession: lots of square straight white men with military backgrounds. Thus we have a lot of shared backgrounds and opinions on what we believe looks good, while the dissenters just go along with it cuz they are outnumbered or don't feel its worth trying to go against the "mainstream" of airline pilot culture. Its not that the public demands we look the way we do, its not even the company fully, it is mainly flight ops. Pilots just be looking in the mirror and saying "yes i am the epitome of profesional", then expecting everyone to copy their look to join their ranks.
Just look at all the threads this year alone with hundreds of comments with pilots arguing back and forth over how many buttons a blazer should have, why only mustaches are professional, or the importance of hats. If pilot appearance is ever to evolve, its your fellow pilots that you need to convince.
Just look at all the threads this year alone with hundreds of comments with pilots arguing back and forth over how many buttons a blazer should have, why only mustaches are professional, or the importance of hats. If pilot appearance is ever to evolve, its your fellow pilots that you need to convince.
03-30-2023, 09:59 AM
#146
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,522
Originally Posted by Meme In Command
I'd be interested to know the breakdown of the mil pilots by rank. And also the breakdown of pilots that left vs stayed and retired.
I'd expect a heavy concentration of O-3 and O-5 respectively. So what?
03-30-2023, 11:44 AM
#147
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Joined APC: Jan 2020
Position: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Posts: 1,336
Originally Posted by gloopy
I don't see what insight that would provide.
I'd expect a heavy concentration of O-3 and O-5 respectively. So what?
I'd expect a heavy concentration of O-3 and O-5 respectively. So what?
03-30-2023, 02:18 PM
#148
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: 764B
Posts: 453
Originally Posted by Podracer
My answer to this is that it is entirely self imposed. It is pilots themselves that are holding us back, its not exactly the company and its definitely not the public. Airline pilots are a very homogenous profession: lots of square straight white men with military backgrounds. Thus we have a lot of shared backgrounds and opinions on what we believe looks good, while the dissenters just go along with it cuz they are outnumbered or don't feel its worth trying to go against the "mainstream" of airline pilot culture. Its not that the public demands we look the way we do, its not even the company fully, it is mainly flight ops. Pilots just be looking in the mirror and saying "yes i am the epitome of profesional", then expecting everyone to copy their look to join their ranks.
Just look at all the threads this year alone with hundreds of comments with pilots arguing back and forth over how many buttons a blazer should have, why only mustaches are professional, or the importance of hats. If pilot appearance is ever to evolve, its your fellow pilots that you need to convince.
Just look at all the threads this year alone with hundreds of comments with pilots arguing back and forth over how many buttons a blazer should have, why only mustaches are professional, or the importance of hats. If pilot appearance is ever to evolve, its your fellow pilots that you need to convince.
03-30-2023, 05:26 PM
#149
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 51
Originally Posted by Lou Reed
Thanks for taking the time. That's a great explanation. It's just interesting how of all the things (at least in this country) that aviation borrowed from our sea fairing forefathers: Measurements, ranks, aforementioned uniforms (hats!) etc etc.... Yet that didn't carry over into the beards. Did the Titanic skipper ruin it for the rest of us!?
#1 The military went beardless about the same time as smooth shaven became popular fashion in the US. This was due to the invention of the safety razor by Gillete, which made daily shaving viable. The marketing that followed suit also promoted the smooth shaven look, and found a way to market to women by promoting shaven legs etc.
#2 Smooth shaven was further cemented as the "proper" look in the military and conservative segments as a way to distance and exclude hippies and associated "rebellious" culture.
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