Senators introduce Age 67 Legislation
03-24-2023, 07:52 AM
#121
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
So where are the airline management voices? I agree Management doesn’t want this, so I thought it would never happen. Now it looks like it’s happening. A lot of Pilots will end up on disability at some point so this is going to add costs with almost no effect of staffing levels, as a lot of pilots will still go out at 65 or soon after. I don’t understand why the government is even bothering raising the retirement age.
03-24-2023, 08:07 AM
#122
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Originally Posted by mukalel
The airlines dont want age 67. Its actually a huge loss and waste of resources for them. Pilots over 65 cannot fly international, so most of the age 65 pilots will have to be transitioned to a narrow body for only domestic flying. With already so sim availability to even train the new hires and existing pilots on property, they would just be waiting for a long time to get to training. This also means they will have to training additional folks to transition into the wide body captain slot to fill the 65 year old leaving the wide body to go into the narrow body. By the time this is all sorted out, the 65 year olds would be 67 and again of no further use as they would have to retire. The senate is doing this to roll the pension money for another 2 years like they did when the age 65 rule cane about. Its about the only law that was passed in such record time in US history..
03-24-2023, 08:13 AM
#124
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
I'll bet you a beer that ICAO world change the age to 67 within a month of we raise the age. That's a weak argument. Buuut, if I had to bid down, it would free up my seat for you. You still win.
This is all a bunch of posturing. Nothing is going to come of this bill.
03-24-2023, 08:16 AM
#125
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Originally Posted by Tropical
It's funny how 15-20 years ago, the retirement age was 60, and the current 60+ crowd whining constantly about age discrimination were our age, they were perfectly fine with the retirement age and the upward mobility it gave them after 9/11 hosing their careers. But now all of a sudden they are in the left seat at the top of the pay scale and it's discrimination. Just stop. Your complaints are so disingenuous that nobody can even listen to you with a straight face.
The only way any of us (the majority) will accept another raise in retirement is if it begins for all pilots hired after that date. Until then, yeah enjoy your retirement just like everyone before you who got out of your seat.
The only way any of us (the majority) will accept another raise in retirement is if it begins for all pilots hired after that date. Until then, yeah enjoy your retirement just like everyone before you who got out of your seat.
I think “like” is a better word to use, because you won’t have a choice.
03-24-2023, 08:18 AM
#126
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Originally Posted by NERD
You think you, (the majority) will actually get a say in this? How cute! It's going to happen and ICAO will immediately fall in line and your progression will be delayed a little.
03-24-2023, 08:20 AM
#127
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Originally Posted by Tropical
The only way any of us (the majority) will accept another raise in retirement is if it begins for all pilots hired after that date. Until then, yeah enjoy your retirement just like everyone before you who got out of your seat.
03-24-2023, 08:21 AM
#128
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Even if an age 65 pilot has to bid down there is still plenty of decent “domestic” flying. The Caribbean, Mexico, Central America, Hawaii, etc. Not Paris or Rome but if you’ve been to those places 100+ times already the novelty has worn off a little. Plus they’ll be senior.
Some might retire. Some will embrace the change.
Some might retire. Some will embrace the change.
03-24-2023, 08:23 AM
#129
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Originally Posted by mukalel
The PBGC basically wants to use all the pension money for government funding for unrelated things. If they can hold on to the money for another 2 years, they can keep the funds for other things they want to use it for.. they succeeded in doing that when they raised the age from 60 to 65. They did not have to start paying pensions for another 5 years. Now they will get another 2 years out of it if they can raise it again. The only country that has the age 67 rule as of now is Japan. And due to ICAO rules, they are all doing domestic only flying. Again, the companies are lobbying against this rule this time because they cannot get 5 years of international flying out of any of there 65 plus pilots like they did when they raised it from 60 - 65 because ICAO does not allow it. Currently it will only benefit the pension board as they get to keep the pension money for another 2 years.
03-24-2023, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Carbon
Even if an age 65 pilot has to bid down there is still plenty of decent “domestic” flying. The Caribbean, Mexico, Central America, Hawaii, etc. Not Paris or Rome but if you’ve been to those places 100+ times already the novelty has worn off a little. Plus they’ll be senior.
Some might retire. Some will embrace the change.
Some might retire. Some will embrace the change.
I had 3 instances on my last trip where something happened during a checklist. The safety chain is way more apt to be broken domestically then internationally imho
It’s all poop
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