That makes sense, I’ll gladly concede this point. Doesn’t change what the initial conversation is about. APA does not place the same value on hypothetical future PS as DALPA. Why? Because AA isn’t nearly as profitable. So to reiterate, I can’t tell you how much of this 8B raise is PS for APA.

I understand it's a serious question. The unions do a horrible job too in parsing their words. Almost like they are intentionally obfuscating.

I firmly believe 50% of the pilots don't understand so when it comes to comparisons some only look at the big number 7B vs 8B...therefore AA must be better. Not necessarily true if it is incremental gains. If one contract (UAL for example) is woefully inferior on QOL they might have to make 9B "contract" just to get to where Delta/AA are overall

You can see from the tone here that this is a lot more about insecurely declaring “my contract is worth more” than it is about “intellectual enlightenment.”

Look I’ll own it. The mistake could’ve easily been avoided if I bothered to do the 8B/15k math. I just took what I heard at face value. That really doesn’t change that our PS plan could be worth very little in the immediate future compared to Delta. Therefore the idea that we assign some great value to it, like a billion over 4 years doesn’t hold up.

Yes it would be a shame. It's not hard to debate and achieve intellectual enlightenment without condescension, and childish posts.

Well, I for one appreciate you wading in and providing your thoughts and supporting arguments to clarify the misunderstanding<s>. As per usual, you stand outside the ring and lob grenades but fail to provide any meaningful dialogue in an attempt to impart greater understanding or clarity.
To buy into the notion that AA getting Delta's PS has no cost associated defies common sense...... unless of course the respective unions do a horrible job in explaining things WRT 7-8B contract meaning..

Sometimes, understanding what the "misunderstanding" is, is the real hill to climb.

yeah sorry I didn’t want to wade in and fight about who’s contract is marginally better or express my disappointment that AA did or didn’t do something for us. You mistakenly assume that people in this thread *want* greater understanding. If you stand outside and look in, sometimes you realize that people want to fight and justify their superiority rather than learn.


now this, of course, is where you accuse me of the same, so save yourself the effort. I already know

Since no one wants to chime in, I will say it. If AA or UAL had accepted their low ball TAs presented then Delta would not have been able to get what we did.


Also, this whole argument about profit sharing valuation is silly. DALPA also stated we wouldn't count it as a cost item in negotiations since it goes away if there isn't a profit. We also finally stopped trying to sell it.

Crazy. So Delta sucks because they didn’t vote no into eternity and get an infinitely better agreement. AA sucks because they didn’t pass Delta. But they wouldn’t have to beat Delta if Delta had done better.

It’s a long way to the top of you want to rock and roll.

Agreed, United should (hopefully) be in that ballpark to match Delta and American. Both global reserve for WB’s and airport standby reserve needs to be removed. I’m sure that’s going to be an expensive price to pay for SK.