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sn00p 05-21-2023 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3639536)
The guy insults you and you say thank you.
missing the sarcasm alert :p

DeltaboundRedux 05-21-2023 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3639492)
I think we all want the same thing but I never counted on AA to lift the bar. The AA pilots I know convey a state of affairs over there of sheer misery, and they say the group as a whole will jump to approve even a marginal improvement. As a Delta pilot I’m just rooting for AA not to declare BK and drag the rest of the industry down with it.
Very well said, agree 100%.


One major airline BK could very well trigger a wave. If this is a contract the American Airline pilots can live with, good for them.

(Always looked at “snap-ups” and “furlough protection” clauses as nice to think about, but unlikely to ever actually work as intended)

gloopy 05-21-2023 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3639543)
One major airline BK could very well trigger a wave.
Yep. Better to liquidate whoever goes first to keep the others strong, but that would never happen. Management knows how to play us like a fiddle.

CBreezy 05-21-2023 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3639533)
It may not raise the bar on the top end of the wide body pay rate, which is what you need for your snap up, but it raises it on narrow body. It raises the bar on holiday pay days. It raises the bar on vacation accrual, it raises the bar on pairing distribution. It raises the bar on a shorter reassignment window.

Go ask your negotiation chair where they found support to bring the A330 and 767-4 into the A350 pay category. I think you might be surprised who raised the bar for you there too.
Coming from the guy who seriously claimed that APA did all the heavy lifting in this round of negotiations.....

beancounter 05-21-2023 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3639492)
I think we all want the same thing but I never counted on AA to lift the bar. The AA pilots I know convey a state of affairs over there of sheer misery, and they say the group as a whole will jump to approve even a marginal improvement. As a Delta pilot I’m just rooting for AA not to declare BK and drag the rest of the industry down with it.
I don’t know about that. You sound a lot more miserable than most the American pilots I know

El Peso 05-21-2023 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3639584)
Coming from the guy who seriously claimed that APA did all the heavy lifting in this round of negotiations.....
Never said did ALL the heavy lifting. Post my quote here, don’t fill in little extras on your own. APA did do its part this round there’s no question about that. You’re throwing in the ALL the heavy lifting on your own. Hey if this flying thing ever falls through, there’s a job waiting for you at CNN. You don’t even have to leave ATL.

Gone Flying 05-21-2023 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy (Post 3639412)
Someone on the Widget T/A FB page is trying to make the case their current top rate is $359 due to an MOU signed in 2019. If true, and if that’s used as the baseline for the 21% raise, we may score the me-to raise after all.
AAs top rate is $342. at least according to an AA WB CA.

Gone Flying 05-21-2023 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3639533)
It may not raise the bar on the top end of the wide body pay rate, which is what you need for your snap up, but it raises it on narrow body. It raises the bar on holiday pay days. It raises the bar on vacation accrual, it raises the bar on pairing distribution. It raises the bar on a shorter reassignment window.

Go ask your negotiation chair where they found support to bring the A330 and 767-4 into the A350 pay category. I think you might be surprised who raised the bar for you there too.
Which part of your vacation accrual exceeds DL. we get our 5th week at 16 years and it looks like you won’t get yours until 19. Do you get more weeks earlier?

what is a reassignment window?

CBreezy 05-21-2023 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3639638)
AAs top rate is $342. at least according to an AA WB CA.
All we know is it's approximately 21% more. No one has the dollar value yet. At least not officially

El Peso 05-21-2023 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3639641)
Which part of your vacation accrual exceeds DL. we get our 5th week at 16 years and it looks like you won’t get yours until 19. Do you get more weeks earlier?

what is a reassignment window?
Yes, we get more earlier. Year 1-5 is 21 days. A reassignment window is what happens when your trip gets interrupted for whatever reason like a flight cancellation, and how long scheduling has to reassign you before you’re released with pay. APA’s AIP has that window at 4 hours then you’re done. And can double dip over that trip footprint If desired. Delta’s new deal is 5 hours I believe. Correct me if I’m wrong. This is all after you sign in for your trip of course. I can’t remember off the top of my head what a pilots obligation is if a trip is cancelled prior to sign in.


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