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tennisguru 05-29-2023 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 3643180)
I read it that one cannot make an in-service withdrawal at all if the account is upside down….

That actually makes sense, because the company wants the money to stay in the account to grow back into the positive, lowering their exposure to owing a plus-up.

gloopy 05-29-2023 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by O R C A (Post 3643161)
I keep seeing assumptions we can take distributions from the MBCBP at 59 1/2.

Why would anyone do that anyway? Assuming you're still working (in service withdrawals), at the height of your earning years, why would anyone (short of an extremely rare massive emergency) pull out tax deferred money from a retirement account and pay the highest rate taxes on those dollars?

bugman61 05-29-2023 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3643250)
Why would anyone do that anyway? Assuming you're still working (in service withdrawals), at the height of your earning years, why would anyone (short of an extremely rare massive emergency) pull out tax deferred money from a retirement account and pay the highest rate taxes on those dollars?

Assuming the plan allows it, you can roll the in service withdrawal to an IRA, keep the tax deferral and get control of the money.

If forced to make a taxable distribution, you would save the alpa dues and get the same benefits as just keeping the spill cash.

Gunfighter 05-29-2023 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3643250)
Why would anyone do that anyway? Assuming you're still working (in service withdrawals), at the height of your earning years, why would anyone (short of an extremely rare massive emergency) pull out tax deferred money from a retirement account and pay the highest rate taxes on those dollars?

Here are three reasons:

-Pilot already "hit their retirement number", but plans to work 'til 65. They fly a partial schedule earning 300K and pull out another 50K while still remaining in the 24% bracket
-A business, real estate or large charitable contribution generates a tax loss that can offset a distribution of prior year contributions.
-Making systemic withdrawals after 59 1/2 to roll the funds into an IRA that can be invested in a better fund/ETF.

Jughead135 06-01-2023 02:47 PM

MEC "Engage" Podcast #29, on the subject of the MBCBP, is out:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/213...316e277de47639


I didn't hear anything that changed anything under discussion. One tidbit I found interesting: apparently, 70% of DL pilots are receiving spill cash.... I didn't expect it was that high a number....

Scoop 06-01-2023 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3643263)
Here are three reasons:

-Pilot already "hit their retirement number", but plans to work 'til 65. They fly a partial schedule earning 300K and pull out another 50K while still remaining in the 24% bracket
-A business, real estate or large charitable contribution generates a tax loss that can offset a distribution of prior year contributions.
-Making systemic withdrawals after 59 1/2 to roll the funds into an IRA that can be invested in a better fund/ETF.


Number four - Save on DALPA dues.

Scoop

waldo135 06-01-2023 03:10 PM

Quick question. NN23-17 talks about what the PWA requires (like 40%/60% equity/bond as split) but PWA 23.S Delta Market Based Cash Balance Plan for Pilots (MBCBP) says [intentionally left bkank]. Where do we find what the PWA actually says?

Gunfighter 06-01-2023 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 3644880)
MEC "Engage" Podcast #29, on the subject of the MBCBP, is out:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/213...316e277de47639


I didn't hear anything that changed anything under discussion. One tidbit I found interesting: apparently, 70% of DL pilots are receiving spill cash.... I didn't expect it was that high a number....

How much of the 70% was self inflicted?

Jughead135 06-01-2023 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3644903)
How much of the 70% was self inflicted?

Unspecified (at least in the podcast).

Puddytatt 06-01-2023 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3644882)
Number four - Save on DALPA dues.

Scoop

Sounds like JA should do us all a solid and change the dues charges on excess.


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