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TED74 05-26-2023 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3642063)

*for me
DYODD, YMMV, BWYWWWYB,

Thanks for doing and sharing the math!

Gunfighter 05-26-2023 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3642113)
Because most people don't understand basic financial let alone investing. Financial Literacy needs to be implemented in high schools. Moreover, most people are emotional rather than analytical towards investing, led to believe by Wall Street that investing is difficult and best left to the professionals, for a hefty fee while still under performing indexes.

Beating the market with 100K is child's play. Beating the market with a million is easy. Beating it with $10 million actually takes some work. $100 million limits your options for niche investments that outperform. At a billion you are even more limited. When you are talking about $10+ billion Wall Street funds, you are the market. It is nearly impossible at those levels. My best % returns were when I was working with six figures.

Widespread financial literacy is a double edged sword. It makes outsized returns more difficult if everyone knows what to do. You are absolutely right about the emotional quotient, even among wealthy people. I'm amazed how dumb rich people get with a minor investment setback.

Trip7 05-26-2023 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3642137)
Beating the market with 100K is child's play. Beating the market with a million is easy. Beating it with $10 million actually takes some work. $100 million limits your options for niche investments that outperform. At a billion you are even more limited. When you are talking about $10+ billion Wall Street funds, you are the market. It is nearly impossible at those levels. My best % returns were when I was working with six figures.

Widespread financial literacy is a double edged sword. It makes outsized returns more difficult if everyone knows what to do. You are absolutely right about the emotional quotient, even among wealthy people. I'm amazed how dumb rich people get with a minor investment setback.

Absolutely spot on. Overall I think the number 1 quality of a great investor is the ability to remain calm and emotionally stable in the face of massive drawdowns when they know the drawdowns have little to nothing to do with the fundamentals of a business.

All 5 Stages 05-26-2023 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3642112)
I’m opting out. Why don’t we just change the ALPA by-laws to stop taking dues out the retirement money. Didn’t it used to be that way? Isn’t Ambrosi national presidenf? This seems like a lot of work to avoid dues. I want my money. I don’t trust anything not in my name.

Why are we paying dues on a negotiated retirement benefit? This wasn't the case until 2019ish.

A5S

Jughead135 05-26-2023 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3642110)
Just a reminder that 330k income also triggers DC excess, it isn't just the contribution limit.

Well.... "Triggers"? That's a strange way of looking at it, IMO--sort of a reverse cause & effect. $330K doesn't "trigger" the DC excess; reaching the contribution limit (which is $330K for 2023) means the company cannot put any more into your 401(k), and the PWA provides for it to come to you as taxable income (i.e., DC excess).

Go Cards go 05-26-2023 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3641979)
The way I read the email we only get one chance to opt out..if we don't do it now, we're in it forever. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Opting out later doesn’t appear to be an option, but you can withdraw your balance once a year over 59.5 years old.

Gunfighter 05-26-2023 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 3642155)
Well.... "Triggers"? That's a strange way of looking at it, IMO--sort of a reverse cause & effect. $330K doesn't "trigger" the DC excess; reaching the contribution limit (which is $330K for 2023) means the company cannot put any more into your 401(k), and the PWA provides for it to come to you as taxable income (i.e., DC excess).

Thanks for the correction with the full answer. I'll ease up on the shortcuts.

Gunfighter 05-26-2023 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by Go Cards go (Post 3642173)
Opting out later doesn’t appear to be an option, but you can withdraw your balance once a year over 59.5 years old.

​​​​​Can we refer to that option as the ALPA Dues Wash?

TurbineDriver 05-26-2023 08:25 PM

Is it just me or is the MBCBP a huge fail? After all this effort negotiating this plan and from the sounds of it most pilots are going to be opting out.

The concept of the plan itself seems great, the only issue is the actual investment choice. Is this something the union can change?

Can ALPA pivot quickly and adjust the equity/bond ratio? It seems like this is the main drawback….nobody wants 60% bonds. Why didn’t the union negotiate a more aggressive equity holding?

flyboy2181 05-27-2023 01:18 AM


Originally Posted by TurbineDriver (Post 3642194)
Is it just me or is the MBCBP a huge fail? After all this effort negotiating this plan and from the sounds of it most pilots are going to be opting out.

The concept of the plan itself seems great, the only issue is the actual investment choice. Is this something the union can change?

Can ALPA pivot quickly and adjust the equity/bond ratio? It seems like this is the main drawback….nobody wants 60% bonds. Why didn’t the union negotiate a more aggressive equity holding?


my guess, and I know nothing, is that it’s because the company guarantees a balance. (Also surprised no one is talking about this)
  • If market fluctuations have caused a pilot’s MBCBP balance to be less than the sum total of all contributions made by the Company to their account, the Company must “plus up” the pilot’s balance at retirement to be no less than that total.


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