Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Delta
House Committee Approves Age 67 >

House Committee Approves Age 67


Notices

House Committee Approves Age 67

Old 07-09-2023 | 04:03 PM
  #71  
Line Holder
10 Years
On Reserve
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 917
Likes: 11
Default

Originally Posted by CBreezy
The guys has been a WB A for 15 years and the top of the payscale for how many? Wow. I can't believe he's complaining about his retirement. Greedy doesn't begin to explain it.
So nice to have our professional victim posting regularly again.....insert eye roll.
Reply
Old 07-09-2023 | 04:03 PM
  #72  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,554
Likes: 65
Default

Originally Posted by OOfff
JB hasn’t ever said their time was bad for them. They have plenty to retire at any time. The argument is that they WANT to stay, so they should be able to.
Okay, then why does he keep bringing up how good everyone has it today? It doesn’t strengthen his argument. It weakens it.
Reply
Old 07-09-2023 | 04:16 PM
  #73  
Meme In Command's Avatar
Leaves Biscoff crumbs
Veteran: Army
Loved
On Reserve
Line Holder
 
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 3,265
Likes: 941
From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Default

Originally Posted by Nantonaku
Okay, then why does he keep bringing up how good everyone has it today? It doesn’t strengthen his argument. It weakens it.
"Hey you've had it so good for these past couple of years, you can afford for me to p!ss on your cereal for my benefit. Like it's just two years man don't be so greedy!"

We all know how these dudes would react if a millennial or younger pilot said he would to change an industry wide regulation just because they "wanted" to...
Reply
Old 07-09-2023 | 07:26 PM
  #74  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,558
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by JamesBond
This is a fascinating post. I could have taken the VEOP. The thing is, I would have been gone within a month. My plan B wasn't anywhere near ready. I know this is really really hard for you, but put yourself in that position: You are gone in a month. Go. What are you going to do? You don't even have the perspective of being furloughed. You got paid to stay at home, and what's more had zero obligation to remain loyal in any shape manner or form to DAL. How much weight did you gain sitting on ass playing video games? What SHOULD have happened is that the UNA status should have been bid on seniority. I GUARANTEE you that it wouldn't have gotten to 4 digit seniority.

EVERY SINGLE ONE of those that are 63 and over have seen stagnation/furlough and backsliding/displacements due to mergers that you apparently can't even imagine. ALL of them. So please forgive me if I don't cry a river for you moving up "less than 200 numbers in 2 years". I was at the bottom of the list, I moved zero for 5 and a half years, and I was lucky because I didn't get furloughed. THOSE guys lost everything for 5 or more years.

You have it made no matter what happens. Try to gain a little perspective.
!!!!!!!

Does a person still have it made if they’re furloughed next year? How much warning would they have to prep for zero income vs 58 hours?

Perspective: only needed if you don’t agree with JB….
Reply
Old 07-10-2023 | 06:21 AM
  #75  
DeltaboundRedux's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 2,872
Likes: 140
From: Enoch Powell Enthusiast
Default

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Age 67 will make the "pilot shortage"**(TM) worse, not better.


All this might sound like I'm anti-67 (or 70, or death) I do not have an opinion. I see this as just an economic matter of FACT: without either young people, or immigration, to pay the taxes, the older folks have to to work and pay taxes.
Absolute banger of a post, but just on this:

Mass population decline in modern countries is a vastly unappreciated problem.

The WSJ had a great v-blog article about China depopulation trends. Loosely summarized as the 4-2-1 problem, if 4 grandparents have 2 total kids, and those 2 have a single child, you eventually have one child who’ll be responsible for caring for the 6 elderly relatives above him/her, and they’ll be unlike to have children of their own as the demands of life become too great. The economy and maintaining an industrial economy becomes impossible.

https://youtu.be/gmehUgOy5ok

It’s a worldwide phenomenon in developed countries; when given the choice, people choose not to have kids for whatever reason. Government programs of all kinds to reverse this have marginal impact, if any.

China, South Korea, Japan, and much of Europe are in this pickle. US leans heavily on immigration, with some notable sub-cultures who continue to do well.
Reply
Old 07-10-2023 | 06:27 AM
  #76  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2020
Posts: 2,216
Likes: 69
Default

Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Absolute banger of a post, but just on this:

Mass population decline in modern countries is a vastly unappreciated problem.

The WSJ had a great v-blog article about China depopulation trends. Loosely summarized as the 4-2-1 problem, if 4 grandparents have 2 total kids, and those 2 have a single child, you eventually have one child who’ll be responsible for caring for the 6 elderly relatives above him/her, and they’ll be unlike to have children of their own as the demands of life become too great. The economy and maintaining an industrial economy becomes impossible.

https://youtu.be/gmehUgOy5ok

It’s a worldwide phenomenon in developed countries; when given the choice, people choose not to have kids for whatever reason. Government programs of all kinds to reverse this have marginal impact, if any.

China, South Korea, Japan, and much of Europe are in this pickle. US leans heavily on immigration, with some notable sub-cultures who continue to do well.
When you read articles like this, doesn't portend to much success in the immediate future for biological family creation:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...cial-contagion
Reply
Old 07-10-2023 | 06:33 AM
  #77  
Banned
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 8,831
Likes: 499
Default

I will not lament the end of a social and economic order built upon unending growth. Bring on the pyramid inversion
Reply
Old 07-10-2023 | 08:02 AM
  #78  
Bucking Bar's Avatar
Can't abide NAI
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,078
Likes: 15
From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Default

Originally Posted by OOfff
I will not lament the end of a social and economic order built upon unending growth. Bring on the pyramid inversion
Geniuses win Nobel prizes in their 50's and 60's for stuff they figured out in their 20's. Young people are innovators. Unfortunately, it takes 399 people like me to birth one genius (statistically speaking).

We have fewer young people because we have made it so damn hard for young people to get a family started. Places like Harvard, with a $51 billion endowment, should be using that $$ to educate people. Being exclusive is exactly the wrong path to take if the good of our economy and future are at stake. Housing, NIMBY'ism, and a tax code that punishes workers. We need to make it easier to start families.

Can you imagine the outrage if we developed a drug that surely increased life expectancies by 15 years, tripled a person's income, their choices of mates and quality of life; then restricted it to 2.4% of the richest, or most entitled? Education is that drug.

Instead of paying off student debt we should offer colleges grants for 1) increasing student acceptance by 10% yearly, including, 2) qualified trade school programs and 3) cutting tuition 10% a year. In less than two Presidential terms we would have doubled the educational output of our nation. Such an action would be more popular than anything Congress is up to by trying to keep us on the payroll and off entitlements (that we paid for).

If nothing else, people are our customers. We need 'em.

Last edited by Bucking Bar; 07-10-2023 at 08:13 AM.
Reply
Old 07-10-2023 | 08:14 AM
  #79  
Bucking Bar's Avatar
Can't abide NAI
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 12,078
Likes: 15
From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Default

Originally Posted by OOfff
I will not lament the end of a social and economic order built upon unending growth. Bring on the pyramid inversion
Fewer buyers for your equities & labor ....
Reply
Old 07-10-2023 | 08:18 AM
  #80  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 12,363
Likes: 904
Default

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Geniuses win Nobel prizes in their 50's and 60's for stuff they figured out in their 20's. Young people are innovators. Unfortunately, it takes 399 people like me to birth one genius (statistically speaking).

We have fewer young people because we have made it so damn hard for young people to get a family started. Places like Harvard, with a $51 billion endowment, should be using that $$ to educate people. Being exclusive is exactly the wrong path to take if the good of our economy and future are at stake. Housing, NIMBY'ism, and a tax code that punishes workers. We need to make it easier to start families.

Can you imagine the outrage if we developed a drug that surely increased life expectancies by 15 years, tripled a person's income, their choices of mates and quality of life; then restricted it to 2.4% of the richest, or most entitled? Education is that drug.

Instead of paying off student debt we should offer colleges grants for 1) increasing student acceptance by 10% yearly, including, 2) qualified trade school programs and 3) cutting tuition 10% a year. In less than two Presidential terms we would have doubled the educational output of our nation. Such an action would be more popular than anything Congress is up to by trying to keep us on the payroll and off entitlements (that we paid for).

If nothing else, people are our customers. We need 'em.
The problem is it may be popular to the masses but to certain extreme factions, it enables lazy people and government suckling. Both sides are in the business of gate keeping right now.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
PEACH
Major
14
11-07-2009 08:20 AM
bla bla bla
Regional
49
09-30-2007 07:56 AM
Andy
Major
25
11-20-2006 07:13 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices