House Committee Approves Age 67
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Okay, then why does he keep bringing up how good everyone has it today? It doesn’t strengthen his argument. It weakens it.
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We all know how these dudes would react if a millennial or younger pilot said he would to change an industry wide regulation just because they "wanted" to...
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This is a fascinating post. I could have taken the VEOP. The thing is, I would have been gone within a month. My plan B wasn't anywhere near ready. I know this is really really hard for you, but put yourself in that position: You are gone in a month. Go. What are you going to do? You don't even have the perspective of being furloughed. You got paid to stay at home, and what's more had zero obligation to remain loyal in any shape manner or form to DAL. How much weight did you gain sitting on ass playing video games? What SHOULD have happened is that the UNA status should have been bid on seniority. I GUARANTEE you that it wouldn't have gotten to 4 digit seniority.
EVERY SINGLE ONE of those that are 63 and over have seen stagnation/furlough and backsliding/displacements due to mergers that you apparently can't even imagine. ALL of them. So please forgive me if I don't cry a river for you moving up "less than 200 numbers in 2 years". I was at the bottom of the list, I moved zero for 5 and a half years, and I was lucky because I didn't get furloughed. THOSE guys lost everything for 5 or more years.
You have it made no matter what happens. Try to gain a little perspective.
EVERY SINGLE ONE of those that are 63 and over have seen stagnation/furlough and backsliding/displacements due to mergers that you apparently can't even imagine. ALL of them. So please forgive me if I don't cry a river for you moving up "less than 200 numbers in 2 years". I was at the bottom of the list, I moved zero for 5 and a half years, and I was lucky because I didn't get furloughed. THOSE guys lost everything for 5 or more years.
You have it made no matter what happens. Try to gain a little perspective.
Does a person still have it made if they’re furloughed next year? How much warning would they have to prep for zero income vs 58 hours?
Perspective: only needed if you don’t agree with JB….
#75
Age 67 will make the "pilot shortage"**(TM) worse, not better.
All this might sound like I'm anti-67 (or 70, or death) I do not have an opinion. I see this as just an economic matter of FACT: without either young people, or immigration, to pay the taxes, the older folks have to to work and pay taxes.
All this might sound like I'm anti-67 (or 70, or death) I do not have an opinion. I see this as just an economic matter of FACT: without either young people, or immigration, to pay the taxes, the older folks have to to work and pay taxes.
Mass population decline in modern countries is a vastly unappreciated problem.
The WSJ had a great v-blog article about China depopulation trends. Loosely summarized as the 4-2-1 problem, if 4 grandparents have 2 total kids, and those 2 have a single child, you eventually have one child who’ll be responsible for caring for the 6 elderly relatives above him/her, and they’ll be unlike to have children of their own as the demands of life become too great. The economy and maintaining an industrial economy becomes impossible.
https://youtu.be/gmehUgOy5ok
It’s a worldwide phenomenon in developed countries; when given the choice, people choose not to have kids for whatever reason. Government programs of all kinds to reverse this have marginal impact, if any.
China, South Korea, Japan, and much of Europe are in this pickle. US leans heavily on immigration, with some notable sub-cultures who continue to do well.
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Absolute banger of a post, but just on this:
Mass population decline in modern countries is a vastly unappreciated problem.
The WSJ had a great v-blog article about China depopulation trends. Loosely summarized as the 4-2-1 problem, if 4 grandparents have 2 total kids, and those 2 have a single child, you eventually have one child who’ll be responsible for caring for the 6 elderly relatives above him/her, and they’ll be unlike to have children of their own as the demands of life become too great. The economy and maintaining an industrial economy becomes impossible.
https://youtu.be/gmehUgOy5ok
It’s a worldwide phenomenon in developed countries; when given the choice, people choose not to have kids for whatever reason. Government programs of all kinds to reverse this have marginal impact, if any.
China, South Korea, Japan, and much of Europe are in this pickle. US leans heavily on immigration, with some notable sub-cultures who continue to do well.
Mass population decline in modern countries is a vastly unappreciated problem.
The WSJ had a great v-blog article about China depopulation trends. Loosely summarized as the 4-2-1 problem, if 4 grandparents have 2 total kids, and those 2 have a single child, you eventually have one child who’ll be responsible for caring for the 6 elderly relatives above him/her, and they’ll be unlike to have children of their own as the demands of life become too great. The economy and maintaining an industrial economy becomes impossible.
https://youtu.be/gmehUgOy5ok
It’s a worldwide phenomenon in developed countries; when given the choice, people choose not to have kids for whatever reason. Government programs of all kinds to reverse this have marginal impact, if any.
China, South Korea, Japan, and much of Europe are in this pickle. US leans heavily on immigration, with some notable sub-cultures who continue to do well.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...cial-contagion
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We have fewer young people because we have made it so damn hard for young people to get a family started. Places like Harvard, with a $51 billion endowment, should be using that $$ to educate people. Being exclusive is exactly the wrong path to take if the good of our economy and future are at stake. Housing, NIMBY'ism, and a tax code that punishes workers. We need to make it easier to start families.
Can you imagine the outrage if we developed a drug that surely increased life expectancies by 15 years, tripled a person's income, their choices of mates and quality of life; then restricted it to 2.4% of the richest, or most entitled? Education is that drug.
Instead of paying off student debt we should offer colleges grants for 1) increasing student acceptance by 10% yearly, including, 2) qualified trade school programs and 3) cutting tuition 10% a year. In less than two Presidential terms we would have doubled the educational output of our nation. Such an action would be more popular than anything Congress is up to by trying to keep us on the payroll and off entitlements (that we paid for).
If nothing else, people are our customers. We need 'em.
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
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Geniuses win Nobel prizes in their 50's and 60's for stuff they figured out in their 20's. Young people are innovators. Unfortunately, it takes 399 people like me to birth one genius (statistically speaking).
We have fewer young people because we have made it so damn hard for young people to get a family started. Places like Harvard, with a $51 billion endowment, should be using that $$ to educate people. Being exclusive is exactly the wrong path to take if the good of our economy and future are at stake. Housing, NIMBY'ism, and a tax code that punishes workers. We need to make it easier to start families.
Can you imagine the outrage if we developed a drug that surely increased life expectancies by 15 years, tripled a person's income, their choices of mates and quality of life; then restricted it to 2.4% of the richest, or most entitled? Education is that drug.
Instead of paying off student debt we should offer colleges grants for 1) increasing student acceptance by 10% yearly, including, 2) qualified trade school programs and 3) cutting tuition 10% a year. In less than two Presidential terms we would have doubled the educational output of our nation. Such an action would be more popular than anything Congress is up to by trying to keep us on the payroll and off entitlements (that we paid for).
If nothing else, people are our customers. We need 'em.
We have fewer young people because we have made it so damn hard for young people to get a family started. Places like Harvard, with a $51 billion endowment, should be using that $$ to educate people. Being exclusive is exactly the wrong path to take if the good of our economy and future are at stake. Housing, NIMBY'ism, and a tax code that punishes workers. We need to make it easier to start families.
Can you imagine the outrage if we developed a drug that surely increased life expectancies by 15 years, tripled a person's income, their choices of mates and quality of life; then restricted it to 2.4% of the richest, or most entitled? Education is that drug.
Instead of paying off student debt we should offer colleges grants for 1) increasing student acceptance by 10% yearly, including, 2) qualified trade school programs and 3) cutting tuition 10% a year. In less than two Presidential terms we would have doubled the educational output of our nation. Such an action would be more popular than anything Congress is up to by trying to keep us on the payroll and off entitlements (that we paid for).
If nothing else, people are our customers. We need 'em.
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