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NERD 09-12-2023 10:10 AM

Hey Neidermeyer, are you the bastard child of the RD LCA that came to MSP when the 88 came to MSP? This yahoo was going around the terminal walking up to pilots demanding they put their hats on. He was told to F off so many times the base chief pilot had to call the 88 Chief line check pilot and tell him to reign this idiot in or he will be kicked out of the base.



Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 3695831)
Actually lots of people care - and most importantly the people that pay you! In addition, look at page 5 of this month’s SEA base newsletter. Right in the middle of the page - PLEASE DON’T WEAR NORTH FACE JACKETS (OR EQUIVALENT) WITH YOUR UNIFORM. So, to reiterate, lots of people care and it is the captain’s job to enforce it. So, appreciate it if you don’t put me in the position of telling you how you need to dress. No need for no fly list. Just do your job that you’re getting paid well into the six figures to do and we will get along great.


notEnuf 09-12-2023 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3695866)
Going forward both single- and double-breasted will be allowed. So there's goes the concept of "uniformity" out the window, although that flew out the window with the FA's a long time ago. When it come to the new uniforms each pilot will be able to choose which one they want. One poll I saw showed roughly 2/3 were going to opt for double and 1/3 were single.

There will also be a transition period. For months we will see both old and new. We will go from iconic to "who do you fly for?" This will get interesting on the 3 man crews. Individuality rules. I'd carry all 3 just to be the counterculture representative. :cool:

notEnuf 09-12-2023 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 3695831)
Actually lots of people care - and most importantly the people that pay you! In addition, look at page 5 of this month’s SEA base newsletter. Right in the middle of the page - PLEASE DON’T WEAR NORTH FACE JACKETS (OR EQUIVALENT) WITH YOUR UNIFORM. So, to reiterate, lots of people care and it is the captain’s job to enforce it. So, appreciate it if you don’t put me in the position of telling you how you need to dress. No need for no fly list. Just do your job that you’re getting paid well into the six figures to do and we will get along great.

Will captains be issued a uniform card that has all the acceptable variants? If i'm going to enforce this I need to know what combinations are acceptable? BTW are pink T shirts and jeans limited to certain days like weekends? Enforcement must be uniform!

CBreezy 09-12-2023 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3695959)
There will also be a transition period. For months we will see both old and new. We will go from iconic to "who do you fly for?" This will get interesting on the 3 man crews. Individuality rules. I'd carry all 3 just to be the counterculture representative. :cool:

Funny because I often get "are you a policeman" questions even with our current uniform.

ancman 09-12-2023 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3695964)
Funny because I often get "are you a policeman" questions even with our current uniform.

I’ve only had that one while wearing the hat. As soon as I stopped wearing the hat, problem solved.

freezingflyboy 09-12-2023 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3695910)
The SEA CPO can EABOD. There is nothing wrong with wearing a north face on a DH or in the airport as long as you aren't wearing your hat. The CPO doesn't get to make up rules especially when they quoted the rule immediately before making up a new one.. There is nothing against the FOM with wearing your uniform shirt under another indistinguishable outer garment.

I have seen this combo out in the wild. I can assure you that there is something that makes it seem phenomenally wrong.

Bainite 09-12-2023 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3695964)
Funny because I often get "are you a policeman" questions even with our current uniform.

I've had passengers think I'm a skycap and try to check their bags with me outside the terminal when I'm waiting for the hotel van. So much for "iconic".

notEnuf 09-12-2023 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3695964)
Funny because I often get "are you a policeman" questions even with our current uniform.

I keep thinking back to an old terrorism awareness video where we were told you could spot them by ethnicity and uniform inconsistency. Two men of middle eastern descent strolling through the airport, one wearing a single breasted jacket and one wearing a double. One was wearing raybans inside and one wasn't. Oh the laughs we enjoyed. My best friend at a regional, crashpad roommate and new hire training counterpart was persian born in Iran. His family fled when the Shah was overthrown. Probably the most westernized pro-american family and all became naturalized U.S. citizens. He watched the film with me and had great commentary. The first was that anyone who seriously meant harm wouldn't make such an amature mistake. (they would study the situation for a long time) Just letting everyone know how "profesional" we will look.

CBreezy 09-12-2023 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3695976)
I keep thinking back to an old terrorism awareness video where we were told you could spot them by ethnicity and uniform inconsistency. Two men of middle eastern descent strolling through the airport, one wearing a single breasted jacket and one wearing a double. One was wearing raybans inside and one wasn't. Oh the laughs we enjoyed. My best friend at a regional, crashpad roommate and new hire training counterpart was persian born in Iran. His family fled when the Shah was overthrown. Probably the most westernized pro-american family and all became naturalized U.S. citizens. He watched the film with me and had great commentary. The first was that anyone who seriously meant harm wouldn't make such an amature mistake. (they would study the situation for a long time) Just letting everyone know how "profesional" we will look.

That entire video's premise is completely absurd. Especially now when it takes 3-5 ID checks to get to an airplane. And what are you going to do if you see someone not in a uniform you recognize? Are you calling the anti-terror police? You know how many fractional pilots fly our airplanes in full uniform that I don't recognize?

FangsF15 09-12-2023 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 3695831)
Actually lots of people care - and most importantly the people that pay you! In addition, look at page 5 of this month’s SEA base newsletter. Right in the middle of the page - PLEASE DON’T WEAR NORTH FACE JACKETS (OR EQUIVALENT) WITH YOUR UNIFORM. So, to reiterate, lots of people care and it is the captain’s job to enforce it. So, appreciate it if you don’t put me in the position of telling you how you need to dress. No need for no fly list. Just do your job that you’re getting paid well into the six figures to do and we will get along great.

In the terminal, I completely agree with you (unless all uniform/identifiable items, including the tie, are hidden).

On a walk around, out of sight of everyone who can tell who you are, I’ll keep it clean and say you can keep your opinion to yourself. I truly don’t understand your odd obsession with that. But I always fly with my favorite captain, so…


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