Beef with Marriott - Am I Wrong?
10-01-2023, 12:39 PM
#92
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
Thats true but he’s not a lawyer and that information is decided in discovery phase of a lawsuit.
Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
You are confusing “last laugh” authority with situational authority.
You can evacuate an airplane with situational authority, it doesn’t mean the company won’t be liable if you made a mistake and people got hurt.
You still had the authority in that moment, and the passengers who obstruct the evacuation are still in the wrong.
The pilot behaved exactly like a bad passenger.
You can evacuate an airplane with situational authority, it doesn’t mean the company won’t be liable if you made a mistake and people got hurt.
You still had the authority in that moment, and the passengers who obstruct the evacuation are still in the wrong.
The pilot behaved exactly like a bad passenger.
10-01-2023, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
I don’t think you know what consensus means.
Consensus is determined once all participants have formed a mutual agreement and are content with it
BTW what is initial consensus? By definition it takes all parties to agree. The overwhelming majority of “parties” on this thread feel the consensus is not that he handled it poorly- rather he exercised a lot of constraint. Are you referring to the parties at hand during the actual incident? I have to admit I hadn’t even thought that is how the word consensus applied. But even if it did are you saying that the aggrieved party thought he was “the arsehole”? Because that is not what he said or meant. He said he could have handled it better - well that was a hindsight observation given with proper sleep and not buck naked with strangers in his room. So even in your bizarre definition of “initial consensus” I do not agree that the consensus was/is that he is an arsehole - which is to what I was responding.
Consensus is determined once all participants have formed a mutual agreement and are content with it
BTW what is initial consensus? By definition it takes all parties to agree. The overwhelming majority of “parties” on this thread feel the consensus is not that he handled it poorly- rather he exercised a lot of constraint. Are you referring to the parties at hand during the actual incident? I have to admit I hadn’t even thought that is how the word consensus applied. But even if it did are you saying that the aggrieved party thought he was “the arsehole”? Because that is not what he said or meant. He said he could have handled it better - well that was a hindsight observation given with proper sleep and not buck naked with strangers in his room. So even in your bizarre definition of “initial consensus” I do not agree that the consensus was/is that he is an arsehole - which is to what I was responding.
Initial consensus being there were two event sets.
The second event was him deciding to seek out the GM.
If you taxi an aircraft into the grass do you deplane or do you add thrust and return to the pavement.
How you left the pavement is an event, and deciding how to recover is a second event and they will usually be judged separately. At some point the heat of battle is over.
The poster told a story with two events, how he interacted with the hotel during the heat of battle, and how he chose to proceed after the battle was over.
Usually your decisions/behavior in the heat of battle is not judged based on information obtained later.
Last edited by OpieTaylor; 10-01-2023 at 01:12 PM.
10-01-2023, 01:17 PM
#94
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
You bolded he handled it poorly, you didn’t bold be acted like an ass hole.
Initial consensus being there were two event sets.
The second event was him deciding to seek out the GM.
If you taxi an aircraft into the grass do you deplane or do you add thrust and return to the pavement.
How you left the pavement is an event, and deciding how to recover is a second event and they will usually be judged separately. At some point the heat of battle is over.
The poster told a story with two events, how he interacted with the hotel during the heat of battle, and how he chose to proceed after the battle was over.
Usually your behavior in the heat of battle is not judged based on information obtained later.
Initial consensus being there were two event sets.
The second event was him deciding to seek out the GM.
If you taxi an aircraft into the grass do you deplane or do you add thrust and return to the pavement.
How you left the pavement is an event, and deciding how to recover is a second event and they will usually be judged separately. At some point the heat of battle is over.
The poster told a story with two events, how he interacted with the hotel during the heat of battle, and how he chose to proceed after the battle was over.
Usually your behavior in the heat of battle is not judged based on information obtained later.
10-01-2023, 02:02 PM
#95
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Its hard to believe this has gone 10 pages.
No I didn’t read past the first page.
This is something that happens 10,000 times a day all across the nation.
Somehow the OP feels entitled to special attention.
Karen.
No I didn’t read past the first page.
This is something that happens 10,000 times a day all across the nation.
Somehow the OP feels entitled to special attention.
Karen.
10-01-2023, 02:09 PM
#96
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
This is something that happens 10,000 times a day all across the nation.
Somehow the OP feels entitled to special attention.
Karen.
Somehow the OP feels entitled to special attention.
Karen.
Normally the hotel staff exits the room promptly when they discover they've entered an occupied room. Not this time. They did it not once but 3 times.
Good thing you are not flying for us.
10-01-2023, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
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10-01-2023, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by myrkridia
I'm honestly lost and not sure what we are disagreeing on. As your peer I'd ask you to not spread the notion that we should not call in fatigued out of some cosmic sense of financial justice for Delta. If you're fatigued, your fatigued and pay should be immaterial (though we know it can impair judgment, hence our outstanding fatigue call out policy).
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Mykridia. I understand from my perspective. As always, if you are unfit to fly.....call in sick or fatigued(not much difference). Safety is paramount.Now, that being said, I would find it irksome to have to use my sick bank to get paid for a fatigue call caused by the hotel. I also find it unfair for Delta to have to payout for the fatigue due to the hotel's mistake. Just because Delta factors it into "the cost of business" doesn't make it "right" from my perspective. Would Delta take it up with the hotel? Of course not...it's not worth the bother....still doesn't make it right. It would be analogous to going out to dinner with a billionaire and expecting him to pick up all the tab. Yes he can afford it, but it's not his responsibility.
IOW, the only people not having to pony up money(hotel) is the party that caused the issue. Something not quite right about that. JMHO
IOW, the only people not having to pony up money(hotel) is the party that caused the issue. Something not quite right about that. JMHO
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