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Old 10-21-2023 | 11:38 AM
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“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”

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Believe it or not this was actually said. I guess we can now see why “always keep your deals” was taken out of the rules of the road this year. Why would anybody go the extra mile when the company management makes a statement like this?
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Originally Posted by Eddiewouldgo
“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”

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Believe it or not this was actually said. I guess we can now see why “always keep your deals” was taken out of the rules of the road this year. Why would anybody go the extra mile when the company management makes a statement like this?
Is that PB? Can't stand him.
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Old 10-21-2023 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Eddiewouldgo
“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”

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Believe it or not this was actually said. I guess we can now see why “always keep your deals” was taken out of the rules of the road this year. Why would anybody go the extra mile when the company management makes a statement like this?
Not that I don’t believe you but, where/when was this said? Did I miss an email?

I think ALPA found the another lanyard slogan: “A contract is a contract” to be opposite of “Always Keep your deals”
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Old 10-21-2023 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Vsop
Not that I don’t believe you but, where/when was this said? Did I miss an email?

I think ALPA found the another lanyard slogan: “A contract is a contract” to be opposite of “Always Keep your deals”

It was said at a base visit. Someone posted the clip on FB. I think the entire video is on skyhub.
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Old 10-21-2023 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Vsop
Not that I don’t believe you but, where/when was this said? Did I miss an email?

I think ALPA found the another lanyard slogan: “A contract is a contract” to be opposite of “Always Keep your deals”
Apparently at the NY base visit.
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Old 10-21-2023 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Eddiewouldgo
“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”

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I mean, he is not wrong. He just shouldn’t be saying the quiet part out loud.
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Old 10-21-2023 | 11:56 AM
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I mean, he is not wrong. He just shouldn’t be saying the quiet part out loud.

So not being in position on short call isn't a violation until the arbitrator says so? Sweet, no punishment until the arbitrator can weigh in 🤣.
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The only thing I don't understand is why management chose this moment to provoke the pilot group. This is negotiations endgame playbook stuff, not first year of a new agreement stuff. It makes no sense, but it's definitely going to cost them a lot more money in the long run. Oh well.
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Old 10-21-2023 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
The only thing I don't understand is why management chose this moment to provoke the pilot group. This is negotiations endgame playbook stuff, not first year of a new agreement stuff. It makes no sense, but it's definitely going to cost them a lot more money in the long run. Oh well.
The Bill Clinton playbook. Depends on what the definition of the word is, is. Does the contract say will? To me will means may. And may means not really..and not really means we can ignore 23L. All of it. Prove it otherwise and we'll abuse you for 6 months to a year until we decide to actually discuss it in front of an arbitrator.
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
The Bill Clinton playbook. Depends on what the definition of the word is, is. Does the contract say will? To me will means may. And may means not really..and not really means we can ignore 23L. All of it. Prove it otherwise and we'll abuse you for 6 months to a year until we decide to actually discuss it in front of an arbitrator.
Yeah. I saw that one. Your meme was funny.
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