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Eddiewouldgo 10-21-2023 11:38 AM

What management thinks of us
 
“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”

VP-Flight Operations and System Chief Pilot

Believe it or not this was actually said. I guess we can now see why “always keep your deals” was taken out of the rules of the road this year. Why would anybody go the extra mile when the company management makes a statement like this?

m3113n1a1 10-21-2023 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Eddiewouldgo (Post 3713278)
“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”

VP-Flight Operations and System Chief Pilot

Believe it or not this was actually said. I guess we can now see why “always keep your deals” was taken out of the rules of the road this year. Why would anybody go the extra mile when the company management makes a statement like this?

Is that PB? Can't stand him.

Vsop 10-21-2023 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Eddiewouldgo (Post 3713278)
“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”

VP-Flight Operations and System Chief Pilot

Believe it or not this was actually said. I guess we can now see why “always keep your deals” was taken out of the rules of the road this year. Why would anybody go the extra mile when the company management makes a statement like this?

Not that I don’t believe you but, where/when was this said? Did I miss an email?

I think ALPA found the another lanyard slogan: “A contract is a contract” to be opposite of “Always Keep your deals”

crewdawg 10-21-2023 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Vsop (Post 3713281)
Not that I don’t believe you but, where/when was this said? Did I miss an email?

I think ALPA found the another lanyard slogan: “A contract is a contract” to be opposite of “Always Keep your deals”


It was said at a base visit. Someone posted the clip on FB. I think the entire video is on skyhub.

172skychicken 10-21-2023 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by Vsop (Post 3713281)
Not that I don’t believe you but, where/when was this said? Did I miss an email?

I think ALPA found the another lanyard slogan: “A contract is a contract” to be opposite of “Always Keep your deals”

Apparently at the NY base visit.

Jaww 10-21-2023 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by Eddiewouldgo (Post 3713278)
“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”

VP-Flight Operations and System Chief Pilot

I mean, he is not wrong. He just shouldn’t be saying the quiet part out loud.

crewdawg 10-21-2023 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3713290)
I mean, he is not wrong. He just shouldn’t be saying the quiet part out loud.


So not being in position on short call isn't a violation until the arbitrator says so? Sweet, no punishment until the arbitrator can weigh in 🤣.

Nick Bradshaw 10-21-2023 12:01 PM

The only thing I don't understand is why management chose this moment to provoke the pilot group. This is negotiations endgame playbook stuff, not first year of a new agreement stuff. It makes no sense, but it's definitely going to cost them a lot more money in the long run. Oh well.

CBreezy 10-21-2023 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw (Post 3713298)
The only thing I don't understand is why management chose this moment to provoke the pilot group. This is negotiations endgame playbook stuff, not first year of a new agreement stuff. It makes no sense, but it's definitely going to cost them a lot more money in the long run. Oh well.

The Bill Clinton playbook. Depends on what the definition of the word is, is. Does the contract say will? To me will means may. And may means not really..and not really means we can ignore 23L. All of it. Prove it otherwise and we'll abuse you for 6 months to a year until we decide to actually discuss it in front of an arbitrator.

Nick Bradshaw 10-21-2023 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3713300)
The Bill Clinton playbook. Depends on what the definition of the word is, is. Does the contract say will? To me will means may. And may means not really..and not really means we can ignore 23L. All of it. Prove it otherwise and we'll abuse you for 6 months to a year until we decide to actually discuss it in front of an arbitrator.

Yeah. I saw that one. Your meme was funny.


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