What management thinks of us
 

“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”

VP-Flight Operations and System Chief Pilot

Believe it or not this was actually said. I guess we can now see why “always keep your deals” was taken out of the rules of the road this year. Why would anybody go the extra mile when the company management makes a statement like this?

Is that PB? Can't stand him.

Not that I don’t believe you but, where/when was this said? Did I miss an email?

I think ALPA found the another lanyard slogan: “A contract is a contract” to be opposite of “Always Keep your deals”

It was said at a base visit. Someone posted the clip on FB. I think the entire video is on skyhub.

Apparently at the NY base visit.

I mean, he is not wrong. He just shouldn’t be saying the quiet part out loud.

So not being in position on short call isn't a violation until the arbitrator says so? Sweet, no punishment until the arbitrator can weigh in 🤣.

The only thing I don't understand is why management chose this moment to provoke the pilot group. This is negotiations endgame playbook stuff, not first year of a new agreement stuff. It makes no sense, but it's definitely going to cost them a lot more money in the long run. Oh well.

The Bill Clinton playbook. Depends on what the definition of the word is, is. Does the contract say will? To me will means may. And may means not really..and not really means we can ignore 23L. All of it. Prove it otherwise and we'll abuse you for 6 months to a year until we decide to actually discuss it in front of an arbitrator.

Yeah. I saw that one. Your meme was funny.

I wish I could take credit. Was that on the infamous page?

Yeah, I guess. If you figure out who's running it now, don't tell them they've got a boom e r dude lurking there. Funny page. Enjoy it a lot.

(Dumb that APC won't let me say that word, even about myself. C'mon guys, stop the juvenile cent sore ship). (Oh, guess that word is banned too.)

I don't think anyone cares, at least not most of us, about men or women of certain ages. All I care about is funny satire.

He IS wrong. His quote is the equivalent of saying that knowingly committing a felony doesn’t violate the law until a judge or jury finds you guilty.

The act itself has already violated the law. Consequences can’t be applied until a guilty verdict is reached.

They aren’t committing a felony. It’s contract law. Even when you buy a car you agree to submit to binding arbitration. You don’t have to like it, I don’t, but there is nothing illegal. They will eventually get a fine or pay a grievance but that’s all part of the game. They are the only ones that lose. All that goodwill down the drain. PB has been a tool since Covid kicked off. Nothing more than a yes man.

Agreed. He knows he’s violating the contract though. He simply believes that he can get away with it.

No it isn't. Someday you'll learn that the money isn't the most important part to management. Ever wonder why everything else takes so long and the payrates happen seemingly overnight?

Sure, but PB realizing that he can violate the contract for a price isn’t the same as PB saying that nothing management can possibly do is a contract violation unless an arbitrator finds otherwise.

They know that certain acts are violations, and they’re willing to pay the small price to keep committing them.

Y'all are acting like this is something new. Did you really think this contract 'fixed' anything? It just got your pay codified for transgressions and nothing more (for the most part).

Bingo. And it’s not illegal for them to allow it to go there. Ethical? That word no longer matters on Wall Street.

It never did.

And it really shouldn't matter to the group. "It's business." Lol

Nope. I never had any trust or confidence in our management before, during, or after the contract signing. Both ALPA and a segment of our pilot group became complacent toward this management team around the time of the contract signing, however. That’s a mistake.

Very true.

Yeah but I'll bet you believed this MEC finally beat them.

GH and team were out of Raleigh by 2pm after dropping their 'last best 'offer. Think about that for a moment. They laughed all the way home.

Bingo. The money is meaningless. It's all about control.

I voted no to this PWA. I’m the wrong person to address that one.

Good to know.

I care what management thinks of me the same amount they care what I think of them. These are how I prioritize things when it comes to work: my needs, the needs of the other pilot, the needs of the FA's, the needs of the passengers, the needs of any other frontline employee, and lastly the needs of the company. Sometimes all of those needs are in alignment. For example, everyone wins when I operate safely and don't crash. Generally it is to my and everyone else's benefit to arrive on time or early. If the FA's have been going all day without a meal, then I'm going to delay the flight to go get them some food. If I need to eat, sleep, or poop, I'm going to make sure that is taken care of properly before I ever worry about getting a flight off the gate. Unless it personally benefits me (generally by getting me done on the last day to go home) then I will rarely put in extra effort to prevent the operation from falling apart.

Management wants employees to go the extra mile for the company. Well the company won't even go the full mile they agreed to in the PWA let alone a single step extra. They are going to reap what they are sowing.

BP and RG will be in the ATL crew room on Monday. I hope someone reminds them of this.

Monday or Tuesday

Honestly, who cares what they say? It’s all propaganda and doublespeak. They can’t be trusted.

I don’t SkyHub often because I loathe it but I surfed it tonight to get a vibe. Wow, the tone on both sides has changed. Temperatures are rising. A chief pilot actually got on there and admonished somebody and gave them a time and date to meet him. Praise in public and criticize in private. They are losing the ability to shape the narrative on their own propaganda site.

Which one of you know? I don’t want to have to watch both JFK and LGA to find it

Was that in the FOP page?!

Sure was. Some post about Houston hotels. Just peruse the topics on that page and it’s surly from both sides. Several instances of no straight answers. Guys not taking a breath before they type.

Asking the right questions in front of a group is sometimes more important than hearing the worthless answers.

Found it. Wow.

Completely inappropriate on the part of the chief pilot. We have some real tools in our CPOs. Under Burns, any true pilot advocates in these offices have been flushed out quickly.

Which is exactly why ALPA said not to go on to Skynet. They knew someone would say the wrong thing and wind up in the CPO.