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Tanker1497 10-29-2023 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by sf340b (Post 3717176)
REALITY vs. AIRLINE CONTRACTS

A “No funny” satire

Now comes the honorable Plaintiff REALITY with a complaint of breach and damages in its contractual relationship with AIRLINE CONTRACTS. Namely that intentional and fraudulent violations do not fit under the “fly it now, grieve it later” clause.

Defendants AIRLINE CONTRACTS moves to dismiss stating REALITY does not exist and therefore has no standing as a party to complain.

Defendants AIRLINE CONTACTS also moves to have the introduced evidence, a petition from the pilot group (signed in blood from their @$$ez), thrown out as hearsay and irrelevant.

REALITY counters that it does exist and that a simple 3 step testing process using nothing moar than a suitable pair of yoga pants can produce observable, measurable, and repeatable conclusive results to prove it has standing.

REALITY provides the steps as follows;

1. Find a suitable pair of yoga pants.
2. Grab yoga pants at any location to determine “suitability” and acceptability of the material.
3. Observe reality;

A. Reality is readily discernible if you find yourself knee’d to the nuts, hammer fisted all the way to the ground followed by a few additional kicks and a final face stomp. Reality may include yelling, cursing, spitting, or additional unmentionable tortures.

B. If reality is indiscernible, return the yoga pants to your sister or mom and find a “suitable” pair of yoga pants for this reality test.

REALITY attests that several conclusions can be deduced from these observations;

1. Reality does exist
2. Reality can be in your face painful when provoked
3. Reality will not fly it now, grieve it later when intentionally wronged
4. Reality will not “exhaust administrative resources” prior to seeking remedial action
5. Reality displays the time tested maxim “for every wrong there IS a remedy”

REALITY moves to grant justice to the Plaintiff and award damages as stated in the complaint.

AIRLINE CONTRACTS is silent on the matter preoccupied with holding their groin, spitting blood, and mumbling “mommy” or something as insignificant.

My friend named Tito, he’s my amigo, gonna follow him around wherever he goes!

m3113n1a1 10-29-2023 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Machsp (Post 3717114)
Has management always acted like this towards the pilot group? If not, when did things change? I wish I known before coming here. This is perhaps the worst culture Ive experienced in this industry.

It changed for the worse drastically with JL and during the covid times. PB is bad news for all of us and it has started to spread downwards through regional directors and CPOs. We still have a few decent CPs, but it's trending in the wrong direction.

OpsCheckOK 10-29-2023 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by sf340b (Post 3717176)
REALITY vs. AIRLINE CONTRACTS

A “No funny” satire

Now comes the honorable Plaintiff REALITY with a complaint of breach and damages in its contractual relationship with AIRLINE CONTRACTS. Namely that intentional and fraudulent violations do not fit under the “fly it now, grieve it later” clause.

Defendants AIRLINE CONTRACTS moves to dismiss stating REALITY does not exist and therefore has no standing as a party to complain.

Defendants AIRLINE CONTACTS also moves to have the introduced evidence, a petition from the pilot group (signed in blood from their @$$ez), thrown out as hearsay and irrelevant.

REALITY counters that it does exist and that a simple 3 step testing process using nothing moar than a suitable pair of yoga pants can produce observable, measurable, and repeatable conclusive results to prove it has standing.

REALITY provides the steps as follows;

1. Find a suitable pair of yoga pants.
2. Grab yoga pants at any location to determine “suitability” and acceptability of the material.
3. Observe reality;

A. Reality is readily discernible if you find yourself knee’d to the nuts, hammer fisted all the way to the ground followed by a few additional kicks and a final face stomp. Reality may include yelling, cursing, spitting, or additional unmentionable tortures.

B. If reality is indiscernible, return the yoga pants to your sister or mom and find a “suitable” pair of yoga pants for this reality test.

REALITY attests that several conclusions can be deduced from these observations;

1. Reality does exist
2. Reality can be in your face painful when provoked
3. Reality will not fly it now, grieve it later when intentionally wronged
4. Reality will not “exhaust administrative resources” prior to seeking remedial action
5. Reality displays the time tested maxim “for every wrong there IS a remedy”

REALITY moves to grant justice to the Plaintiff and award damages as stated in the complaint.

AIRLINE CONTRACTS is silent on the matter preoccupied with holding their groin, spitting blood, and mumbling “mommy” or something as insignificant.

I stopped reading at moar yoga pants….did it get any better or funny?

FR8DWGIE 10-29-2023 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3717137)
Couple things to note here.

1. When it comes to safety, major life events (death in the family, cancer, major car accidents, hospitalization, etc), I have found the company does a fantastic job. That Culture is still healthy, IMO. I’ve had nothing but great experience with those kinds of things, and I’ve been on disability 2x, and dealt with spousal cancer.

2. Totally separate from that is contract compliance. There has always been some friction over legal “assignments”, pay, etc. And frankly, there always will be some “noise” there. Obviously, mgmt has pizzed off a big portion of the pilot group recently. While I do think that Covid caused noticeable shift, most of that was “just business”. In the early days, no one knew the impacts would be relatively short lived. Mgmt decisions were based in keeping the company solvent; then they were slow to return to a “normal” tenor, due to the 2 sides being less trusting of the other, compounded by contract negotiations. However, when the contract was signed, there was a very marked shift in contract compliance. ALPA Contract Admin noted that, despite historical norms of coming back together after a new contract, the company seemed to go the other way. Almost like they thought they got “rolled” in negotiations, and were looking to take it out on us by being intentionally difficult.

While it pizzes me off to no end that they are weaponizing and renegotiating the contract by non-compliance, 99% of things are indisputable. We will win some of these grievances - the real meat is in the penalty. If they aren’t made to pay for their BS shenanigans, it will only embolden them to take more sections “hostage”.

All that said, the “culture” here, while not super healthy, could be sooooooo much worse. Like most folks have no idea how much worse. So I’m not sure I’d agree it’s toxic. At least not yet.

I would have agreed with you on your first point a few years ago. Now not so much, especially with the DTW CPO. It seems to be trickle down from the RD, and I have lost all respect I had for them the past few years.

Machsp 10-30-2023 08:16 PM

The post about culture didn't age well at all!! Now they're treating us like children ?

sf340b 10-30-2023 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by OpsCheckOK (Post 3717279)
I stopped reading at moar yoga pants….did it get any better or funny?

The reality of the satire is not funny and the mocking of mngt is even worse when those high dollar counselors can't figure it out.


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