I did. I just can't get past being lied to by the people that supposedly represent me

I do enjoy them. I can get commutable GS and WS now that were going to IA all summer

I’m doing great with the batch sizes. Plenty of greenslips. Oh wait…..those were gonna disappear with this contract, right?

Pilots; I'm so mad we don't have staffing!

Same pilots: where muh GS?!

What fleet are you on? They’ve disappeared in my category. Last green slip I did was in July.

2007 and forward. I never said I dislike anyone. You and a few others just got bent out of shape at the word I used. Noob. Yes compared to me and a few other seniors here, you are noobs. Noobs to Delta Air Lines. Noobs to this management "team". The fact you get bent on a word (as you often are hostile to myself and others here) it really demonstrates where we are at doesn't it. Pay attention to how DALPA responds to the latest shot across our bow from BP (really from JL, PB, and RG et al.) Another strongly worded letter? Or will we actually see some action from the MEC. The anticipation is riveting...

16 year noob, hmmm. I have to disagree. In other words, everyone not on property for 9/11. But if you were hired in July of 2001 and furloughed until 2007, that's some how not noob.

What about a fNWA hired in 2001, but merged in with a 2007 hire. Does that make them a retro-noob?

I think what he means is, when they hire a pilot with a date of birth after your date of hire, you are officially no longer a noob.

haha. That’s the worst kind of noob.

Of course they will. Because that's really all the RLA allows them to do. Strongly worded letters, public shaming in the media, "informational picketing" (whoa management really shakes in their sneakers on that one).

Maybe they'll at least throw us a bone and tell us we can take our hats off again this winter. At least that would be something, and it probably aggravates management the worst of all the paltry options. But the best option would be a a major dispute lawsuit over management's blatant thumbing their noses at us and saying they won't keep their deals (no longer a rule of the road).

PB's comment that nothing is illegal until an arbitrator decides it is should go down as the next biggest F-up they've made after Ed's comments on CNBC that we can't strike. The ramifications should be commensurate. As the kids say, "he said the quiet part out loud".

is your SA really so low that you cant understand why you garner hostility?

the way you talk dude. Try and comport yourself like you arent hiding behind a keyboard and you’ll probably gain more traction. Less vitriol, less antagonism, less condescension.

theres no way you would act like this to another dudes face, maybe dont do that here. Youll find more willing recipients

^^^This^^^

I'm actually, well I used to be a very public and accessible part of FOPs. I left that game many years ago when Grinstein brought EB back to Delta. About the time I saw EB ascending in 2009-10ish I knew it was time to go back to the line and just do my thing.

BTW that "act in your face" comment is threatening. You might want to read the TOS for this site. You are doing and acting precisely what you just chastised me about. Hypocrite much? Oh, and my comport is just fine junior, thank you. I'll keep it right where its at.

Let's focus on the topic at hand, management. Adjust your fire and target the real issue(s). Anything from the MEC yet?

How is that threatening?

Pretty obvious the intent of the comment he made. If you can't see it, I can't help.

Now, back to the real issue here - management.

So you can't explain how it's threatening. Typical ad hominem to cover up that you don't know what you're talking about.

Just because you say the conversation is over does not make it so. Get a clue man. You have a lot to offer but you need to atone for your poor behavior.

So you do act like this in person?

#1. ill give you troll points
# 2. it was “act in a dudes face” not “act in your face”, the distinction is paramount to your insinuation. You either knowingly skewed the words to play the martyr like a child or your reading comprehension es no bueno
# 3. When 5 other people agreed, its not up to you to say your behavior is ok, a good pilot would take the debrief and learn from it
#4. If you truly believed you were being threatened, and failed to understand its advice for you to be able to actually reach people, i just pity you.

So i will say it again in exactly the same way. You wouldnt act like this to a dudes face, so maybe dont act like a condescending, vitriol spitting, aggressive a-hole here, and you will get more traction with your comments. If you feel like that is a threat, you literally cannot comprehend english.

can you imagine being an old timer and this scared of the world? Holeee fuk no thank you

Hasn’t this been the airline MGT playbook now for about 50 years or more ? Continental and Eastern were the worst at violating contracts .

Its not new, they are just finally being open about it.

It is management's total disdain for it's pilots that had me racing for the door when the veop was offered. I have never worked for any organization that had such total disregard for me as an employee. They went out of their way to make life difficult. Even the military embraced me more than dal......And that's pretty bad.

Yep. As predicted, the special MEC meeting resulted in another Strongly Worded Email and another video from Hartmann acting angry. Yeah, that'll do it. I'm sure Ed is shaking in his $500 sneakers. Oh and another stupid billboard outside ATL airport that management will also laugh at. No major dispute lawsuit. No media campaign. No wage theft complaint (which they have all the evidence they need for). DALPA has become the poster child of impotence.

So are we at least going hatless? Not a word from our "leadership" on tangible displays of unity.

Business as usual. Shut up, row, and pay your union dues.

Hard to believe that we are not initiating a wage theft lawsuit and going “hats off” or something else that bothers them in the meantime. Their solution is to pass the buck so we, the dues paying pilots can become accountants and payroll specialists.

I’ll attend and get some insight on our top secret coded payroll tickets; I applaud them for at least initiating that, but it’s certainly not something to lead with or be taken seriously by management.

As predicted. Disappointed but not surprised. Clear now that DH is gunning for that primo FOPs management job on the 4th floor. This memo was paltry, ineffectual acquiesced to management and now, to top it all off, we have to do homework assignments just to get properly paid? This is a joke. This is minium a hats off and lawsuit filed moment. IDK maybe that's forthcoming. But it is Friday, so I'm sure the hospitality suite is rocking about now (5 o'clock somewhere amIright?).

I think y’all just are looking for a reason to not wear your hats lol😂 🎩

Mongo

The management team does not disappoint. They are giving us plenty of reasons. Full pay for a full uniform. Top off my pay and I'll top off my uniform. I can't find something as smooth as "Hats off to a new contract" . Maybe we recycle that into "Hats off to keeping your deals." Hats off to honoring a contract.

I like that “Full pay for full uniform” - ties and hats off

Untie our contract
Untie our pay

I'll refrain from any jacket removal slogans.

Stop horsing around with the contract, horse blanket off. Needs work but it could pair nicely with this https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/s...B8e70&usqp=CAc

Quiet stealing = quiet quitting.

I stop for IROP

14* days of delays
*(business)

Has management always acted like this towards the pilot group? If not, when did things change? I wish I known before coming here. This is perhaps the worst culture Ive experienced in this industry.

I’d say when Dickson left and a non-pilot got put in charge of flight ops. Top that off with the COVID treatment in conjunction with the contract negotiations…and here we are. I thought Dickson and flt Ops pretty much rowed in the same direction in the summer of 2019.

As far as “the worst culture”…I’m not so sure…I have friends at FDX & SWA, they are pretty P.Off.

and this everyone is why you should cross “culture” off you list of reasons to go to a particular airline. Along with company debt, promised growth, Sunny new airplanes, ect.

QOL not tied to a particular contact is all you should care about.

Couple things to note here.

1. When it comes to safety, major life events (death in the family, cancer, major car accidents, hospitalization, etc), I have found the company does a fantastic job. That Culture is still healthy, IMO. I’ve had nothing but great experience with those kinds of things, and I’ve been on disability 2x, and dealt with spousal cancer.

2. Totally separate from that is contract compliance. There has always been some friction over legal “assignments”, pay, etc. And frankly, there always will be some “noise” there. Obviously, mgmt has pizzed off a big portion of the pilot group recently. While I do think that Covid caused noticeable shift, most of that was “just business”. In the early days, no one knew the impacts would be relatively short lived. Mgmt decisions were based in keeping the company solvent; then they were slow to return to a “normal” tenor, due to the 2 sides being less trusting of the other, compounded by contract negotiations. However, when the contract was signed, there was a very marked shift in contract compliance. ALPA Contract Admin noted that, despite historical norms of coming back together after a new contract, the company seemed to go the other way. Almost like they thought they got “rolled” in negotiations, and were looking to take it out on us by being intentionally difficult.

While it pizzes me off to no end that they are weaponizing and renegotiating the contract by non-compliance, 99% of things are indisputable. We will win some of these grievances - the real meat is in the penalty. If they aren’t made to pay for their BS shenanigans, it will only embolden them to take more sections “hostage”.

All that said, the “culture” here, while not super healthy, could be sooooooo much worse. Like most folks have no idea how much worse. So I’m not sure I’d agree it’s toxic. At least not yet.

Company currently has me royally ****ed off still.

I'm spending more than my mortgage payment on a drug that's in the formulary, covered by our insurance, that a non MD in HR has ruled my wife doesn't need.

Needs it because of a brain tumor but if she was a 400 pound diabetic who doesn't even care about their blood sugar or diet they'd pay.

The company decided to go into mediation in Jan 2020 (I believe). The company decided to open the mouth in national tv. Then they have to open their pockets and they don’t want to pay now.

Its their own fault if they feel they got “rolled over”. Nobody asked them to go to mediation and nobody asked them to go on national TV and say we can’t strike.

We also got the “take it or l’ll put you on ice”. We took the best of the outcome for that particular moment.

REALITY vs. AIRLINE CONTRACTS

A “No funny” satire

Now comes the honorable Plaintiff REALITY with a complaint of breach and damages in its contractual relationship with AIRLINE CONTRACTS. Namely that intentional and fraudulent violations do not fit under the “fly it now, grieve it later” clause.

Defendants AIRLINE CONTRACTS moves to dismiss stating REALITY does not exist and therefore has no standing as a party to complain.

Defendants AIRLINE CONTACTS also moves to have the introduced evidence, a petition from the pilot group (signed in blood from their @$$ez), thrown out as hearsay and irrelevant.

REALITY counters that it does exist and that a simple 3 step testing process using nothing moar than a suitable pair of yoga pants can produce observable, measurable, and repeatable conclusive results to prove it has standing.

REALITY provides the steps as follows;

1. Find a suitable pair of yoga pants.
2. Grab yoga pants at any location to determine “suitability” and acceptability of the material.
3. Observe reality;

A. Reality is readily discernible if you find yourself knee’d to the nuts, hammer fisted all the way to the ground followed by a few additional kicks and a final face stomp. Reality may include yelling, cursing, spitting, or additional unmentionable tortures.

B. If reality is indiscernible, return the yoga pants to your sister or mom and find a “suitable” pair of yoga pants for this reality test.

REALITY attests that several conclusions can be deduced from these observations;

1. Reality does exist
2. Reality can be in your face painful when provoked
3. Reality will not fly it now, grieve it later when intentionally wronged
4. Reality will not “exhaust administrative resources” prior to seeking remedial action
5. Reality displays the time tested maxim “for every wrong there IS a remedy”

REALITY moves to grant justice to the Plaintiff and award damages as stated in the complaint.

AIRLINE CONTRACTS is silent on the matter preoccupied with holding their groin, spitting blood, and mumbling “mommy” or something as insignificant.

Is this supposed to be funny?