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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3714596)
Most of my generation learned more about bad and hostile management who dragged negotiations on for upwards of a decade at our regionals. And my generation dealt with it and the repercussions of having to fight management while making 10% of what you made. Forgive us if we don't need your patronizing attitude.
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
(Post 3714331)
Heres the proof that English/grammar skills, writing, and critical thinking are no longer taught in schools.
Want to keep a secret from a youngster? Write it in cursive. Learn from history or repeat it, junior. |
Originally Posted by ancman
(Post 3714500)
Hats off + a new lanyard is the best first step.
1. It’s legal and RLA-compliant. 2. It has no adverse effect on our customers. They don’t care as long as we fly from point A to point B safely and on time. 3. It gets under management’s skin (see PB’s emotional tantrum over hats during an upgrade class visit last year). 4. There is absolutely nothing that management can do about it when adopted by >90% of the pilot group. |
Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
(Post 3714409)
With ear pods and being constantly distracted by watches they are not going to learn anything from older generations.
which simply means they’ll fall on their faces 10 times harder than we did when we were kids. sad to see, but technology really kills the buzz. when they fly through hail they blame the training department, when the lock the brakes they blame their shoes. it’s cute and I hope it protects their licenses. sounds like a you problem old timer i cant wait until im old and sound like every generation ever since the dawn of time. Goddam kids these days, drawing on cave walls! Aint nobody got time for that! |
Originally Posted by Red Swingline
(Post 3714099)
Chit Chat has nearly died a long overdue death. It’s mostly retired guys bickering about politics at this point. The few current posters remaining are probably looking for a new home.
Always wrong... Never in doubt. |
Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
(Post 3713871)
I asked my rep what their accommodations were. He said they are staying in one of the training hotels, holding the meeting at the ALPA office building, and that breakfast will probably be catered by chik-fil-a.
Sounds like you need to chill the **** out, bruh |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3714596)
Most of my generation learned more about bad and hostile management who dragged negotiations on for upwards of a decade at our regionals. And my generation dealt with it and the repercussions of having to fight management while making 10% of what you made. Forgive us if we don't need your patronizing attitude.
Originally Posted by Gspeed
(Post 3714612)
Seriously. Where do these jokers think we were stuck for the 10-15 years during the RJ glut (that they created).
Was that the decade when we got furloughed after 9/11 while the regionals hired and flew our routes, then slapped us in the face by telling us we had to resign our mainline seniority number to work there? Yes, how patronizing of us to ask for a job to put food on the table whilst furloughed and the regionals grew, and not want to give up our Delta seniority number. Bet you fought pretty hard for us. Oh wait... Then you threw us under the bus again by laughing in our faces as DALPA crumbled the 4th pillar and gleefully voting yes to get yours while we got left behind. |
Originally Posted by FL370esq
(Post 3714514)
If I recall correctly, ol' Dougie Parker made his attempt in late 2006. In July of 2004, Delta began recalling furloughees so a vast majority would have been recalled by the end of 2006 (almost 2 1/2 years later) while Parker's shenanigans were playing out.
https://money.cnn.com/2006/11/15/new...elta/index.htm |
Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
(Post 3714719)
Oh no! A whole decade! 15 years!
Was that the decade when we got furloughed after 9/11 while the regionals hired and flew our routes, then slapped us in the face by telling us we had to resign our mainline seniority number to work there? Yes, how patronizing of us to ask for a job to put food on the table whilst furloughed and the regionals grew, and not want to give up our Delta seniority number. Bet you fought pretty hard for us. Oh wait... Then you threw us under the bus again by laughing in our faces as DALPA crumbled the 4th pillar and gleefully voting yes to get yours while we got left behind. the point was that everyone got bent over nice baby rant however….2 points for gryffindor |
Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
(Post 3713904)
Tell you what. I'll "chill the F out bruh" (love all the "look how cool I am" lingo you kids use) when they do something that actually moves the needle, Not publish another Disunity Statement or an asinine video from someone who hasn't flown the line in years and was told to look angry and tough in the uniform he only wears for public appearances.
When you fly with someone who talks like this, stifle your laughter, and ask about their involvement in the union. Half the time it’s someone who has never volunteered or represented anyone in ALPA and just hate unions, but also ironically lose their minds that their union didn’t get them more (see recent post about abandoning them with the 4th pillar). The other half of the time they will eventually share that they and their friends were voted out by some shady back room politics(not saying that DALPA politics aren’t petty and stupid because they shockingly are). These pilots will provide some insight into the personalities of the reps and MEC officers but you have to filter through the obvious bias. |
Originally Posted by Gooner
(Post 3714808)
If we are really into educating the new DAL pilots, I’ll start.
When you fly with someone who talks like this, stifle your laughter, and ask about their involvement in the union. Half the time it’s someone who has never volunteered or represented anyone in ALPA and just hate unions, but also ironically lose their minds that their union didn’t get them more (see recent post about abandoning them with the 4th pillar). The other half of the time they will eventually share that they and their friends were voted out by some shady back room politics(not saying that DALPA politics aren’t petty and stupid because they shockingly are). These pilots will provide some insight into the personalities of the reps and MEC officers but you have to filter through the obvious bias. If they've never volunteered, they should shut up. If they volunteered and got tossed out or quit due to political BS, they should shut up, but their story will be interesting. Yes, great contribution. You must be an alpa guy. Did the mean lady scare you? |
Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
(Post 3714814)
Vapid, non-witty, and predictable response. Let me make sure I understand this.
If they've never volunteered, they should shut up. If they volunteered and got tossed out or quit due to political BS, they should shut up, but their story will be interesting. Yes, great contribution. You must be an alpa guy. Did the mean lady scare you? |
Originally Posted by Eddiewouldgo
(Post 3713278)
“Nothing’s a contract violation until an arbitrator says it’s a contract violation.”
VP-Flight Operations and System Chief Pilot Believe it or not this was actually said. I guess we can now see why “always keep your deals” was taken out of the rules of the road this year. Why would anybody go the extra mile when the company management makes a statement like this? |
Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3714816)
if you’ve spent 30 years here and are this angry at new people and your union without having actually worked to change anything, yeah, your opinion should be disregarded.
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714824)
You're so naive
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714824)
You're so naive
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Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3714816)
if you’ve spent 30 years here and are this angry at new people and your union without having actually worked to change anything, yeah, your opinion should be disregarded.
Literally the caricature of old man yelling at clouds. |
Originally Posted by Jaww
(Post 3714829)
What was naive? Please inform us.
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Originally Posted by Jaww
(Post 3714829)
What was naive? Please inform us.
I know several guys that went there with the intent of making changes, and those things are exactly what happened to them. Prove me wrong. |
Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3714832)
my opinions mean nothing to JB because I’m a 26yo new hire with no experience
It's also a tragedy that you discount mine so readily. But that is your cross to bear. I've been there and I know what's in your future. |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714836)
ALPA is a political machine. They don't want your opinion. If you go there with the intent to 'change things', 1 of two things will happen. 1) you will be shut out of any meaningful involvement in anything, or 2) you will get discredited. There is an agenda, and while you might think that 'volunteering' and being involved makes your a part of that system, you aren't... UNLESS, you agree with the inner circle and lick those boots. They don't want dissent other than a few actual lambs.
I know several guys that went there with the intent of making changes, and those things are exactly what happened to them. Prove me wrong. |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714837)
You'll learn
It's also a tragedy that you discount mine so readily. But that is your cross to bear. I've been there and I know what's in your future. |
[QUOTE=JamesBond;3714836]ALPA is a political machine. They don't want your opinion./QUOTE]
Maybe you can provide an example of a governing body you think we should model? Who do you think is getting it right? |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714836)
ALPA is a political machine. They don't want your opinion. If you go there with the intent to 'change things', 1 of two things will happen. 1) you will be shut out of any meaningful involvement in anything, or 2) you will get discredited. There is an agenda, and while you might think that 'volunteering' and being involved makes your a part of that system, you aren't... UNLESS, you agree with the inner circle and lick those boots. They don't want dissent other than a few actual lambs.
I know several guys that went there with the intent of making changes, and those things are exactly what happened to them. Prove me wrong. It also says a lot about those who float to the top and why they do so. |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714836)
ALPA is a political machine. They don't want your opinion. If you go there with the intent to 'change things', 1 of two things will happen. 1) you will be shut out of any meaningful involvement in anything, or 2) you will get discredited. There is an agenda, and while you might think that 'volunteering' and being involved makes your a part of that system, you aren't... UNLESS, you agree with the inner circle and lick those boots. They don't want dissent other than a few actual lambs.
I know several guys that went there with the intent of making changes, and those things are exactly what happened to them. Prove me wrong. They also brought us things like MEMRAT for LOAs, and other good changes that never would have been considered under the old regime. |
Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
(Post 3714862)
Nothing more true has ever been said of ALPA work, and this isn't just at DALPA. And yes, I have been involved at times, and yes, this was my experience precisely.
It also says a lot about those who float to the top and why they do so. |
Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
(Post 3714719)
Oh no! A whole decade! 15 years!
Was that the decade when we got furloughed after 9/11 while the regionals hired and flew our routes, then slapped us in the face by telling us we had to resign our mainline seniority number to work there? Yes, how patronizing of us to ask for a job to put food on the table whilst furloughed and the regionals grew, and not want to give up our Delta seniority number. Bet you fought pretty hard for us. Oh wait... Then you threw us under the bus again by laughing in our faces as DALPA crumbled the 4th pillar and gleefully voting yes to get yours while we got left behind. |
Originally Posted by Gspeed
(Post 3714869)
Whilst? WHILST? Get of here, your Majesty.
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714836)
ALPA is a political machine. They don't want your opinion./QUOTE]
Maybe you can provide an example of a governing body you think we should model? Who do you think is getting it right? What say you? |
[QUOTE=JamesBond;3714895]
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3714852)
If you want to get philosophical, that's fine, because frankly, most governments other than a benevolent dictatorship suck, and even that would when said dictator dies and the next one takes over.. ALPA, like all representative democracies fail because there is no limit to how long those in power are allowed to remain so. And before you go there, people are apathetic so the whole ballot box idea of term limits is folly. I'll bet if we had an election on just about anything right now you would be lucky to get 30% participation. But there is a lack of checks and balances within alpa that is obvious, but unlikely to ever change.
What say you? |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3714899)
Found the naive "libertarian." |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3714895)
What say you?
We can find fault with anything - from Miatas (that’s easy) to the GT3 RS. My HOA can be awful, as can everything from the school board to the federal government. Plenty of folks live to rant. Luckily it’s not as prolific in the cockpit as it is here. Because I want this place to preserve some value, I hope we trend toward offering actionable information or ideas that are useful in the real world. Of course that’s in the eye of the beholder. We keyboard warriors can decide for ourselves when logging in to see what clouds got the most yelling in any given day is worthwhile. For me, the trend vector is not good. |
[QUOTE=JamesBond;3714895]
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3714852)
If you want to get philosophical, that's fine, because frankly, most governments other than a benevolent dictatorship suck, and even that would when said dictator dies and the next one takes over.. ALPA, like all representative democracies fail because there is no limit to how long those in power are allowed to remain so. And before you go there, people are apathetic so the whole ballot box idea of term limits is folly. I'll bet if we had an election on just about anything right now you would be lucky to get 30% participation. But there is a lack of checks and balances within alpa that is obvious, but unlikely to ever change.
What say you? |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3714906)
I think every governing body has its warts, because humans. If it’s cathartic to identify every wart you see, go for it. If you’ve got a wart cream you’ve seen work - I think you should offer it up.
We can find fault with anything - from Miatas (that’s easy) to the GT3 RS. My HOA can be awful, as can everything from the school board to the federal government. Plenty of folks live to rant. Luckily it’s not as prolific in the cockpit as it is here. Because I want this place to preserve some value, I hope we trend toward offering actionable information or ideas that are useful in the real world. Of course that’s in the eye of the beholder. We keyboard warriors can decide for ourselves when logging in to see what clouds got the most yelling in any given day is worthwhile. For me, the trend vector is not good. |
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Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3714906)
Because I want this place to preserve some value, I hope we trend toward offering actionable information or ideas that are useful in the real world. Of course that’s in the eye of the beholder. We keyboard warriors can decide for ourselves when logging in to see what clouds got the most yelling in any given day is worthwhile. For me, the trend vector is not good.
This place has become every bit the dumpster fire as anywhere else. This thread is but another example. But hey, record numbers of gs's keep getting covered, so it's all good. |
Anyone who thinks Delta cares is delusional
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Originally Posted by stephanie69
(Post 3715098)
Anyone who thinks Delta cares is delusional
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
(Post 3715110)
...or on mushrooms...
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Originally Posted by stephanie69
(Post 3715098)
Anyone who thinks Delta cares is delusional
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