DALPA likes things just like they are. DALPA, refuses to embrace technology in order to get more participation. They will make excuses all day long as to why this is impossible. They do not WANT more participation, because then pilots would start asking questions. Stay engaged, but stay ignorant except for what THEY tell you is important. ZOOM, Teams, and various other platforms would allow them to hold internet meetings. Ask them why they won't do that.

As to your suggestions, an 'education' campaign would be an 'indoctrination' campaign. ALPA knows it all, get in line and vote the way we tell you because this is the best it is going to be. (Change my mind)
I'm not going to touch your second one.

Standing by for the usual apologists.

I asked my rep what their accommodations were. He said they are staying in one of the training hotels, holding the meeting at the ALPA office building, and that breakfast will probably be catered by chik-fil-a.
Sounds like you need to chill the **** out, bruh

Yeah, go ahead and press the test button.

Just as the company has chosen to intentionally violate our contract for a price, the same can be said about this.

Precedent says he’ll get away with it for a while (category dependent), eventually get caught, likely get fired, then get his job back within a year or so. Pilots in certain situations (close to retirement, looking for more time at home) may come out ahead.

It may sound ridiculous, but it’s the same type of thinking that management is employing in its decisions to violate certain sections of the PWA.

Tell you what. I'll "chill the F out bruh" (love all the "look how cool I am" lingo you kids use) when they do something that actually moves the needle, Not publish another Disunity Statement or an asinine video from someone who hasn't flown the line in years and was told to look angry and tough in the uniform he only wears for public appearances.

You need to turn your cannon around and fire in the other direction.

I do love the irony of calling anything disunity while simultaneously leading the charge on slandering pretty much anyone involved with DALPA.

Lol right! This just further highlights the ridiculous nature of their stance.

See that's what you don't get. "ALPA" isn't "Unity". ALPA itself is split 8-7 and can't even row themselves in the same direction. "Unity" is the pilot group and we need to demand better leadership. Not a bunch of self serving company lap dogs who won't address this problem at hand. Who mostly created the problem by their weakness and caving in to the scary lady in RDU.

Exactly. Our pilot group is already unified. We become even stronger during times like this. Holding ALPA accountable for their weak performance over the past 6 months is not a display of disunity — it’s a statement of the fact that this pilot group deserves much better from ALPA.

Well said.

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Unfortunately until the labor law is changed it is what it is. We as employees have to tread more lightly than the employer. That is the reality. You do something they deem “bad”, they fire you, get your job back in a year. Who suffered during that year? Definitely not the company. That is why having a somewhat ethical employer in this field is important, if such exists.

peach it brother. They'll learn some day.

I have no problem with our MEC not always voting in ​​lockstep. It wasn't 9-8 to approve the TA to send to a vote. And almost all the reps signed the unity letter.

Is there a new APC competition to see who can get voted into the "basket of deplorables"? Seems like "one-upmanship" for recalcitrance has reached the boiling point.

The surefire winners posts will have "Eff management, they don't respect me" combined with "Eff ALPA, they don't respect me" topped off with a dose of "Eff me, I don't respect myself for all the previous contracts that got voted in".

That about cover it? We s seem to be getting a coalition of strange bedfellows, who's sole common theme is a pizzed off attitude.:D

Chit Chat has nearly died a long overdue death. It’s mostly retired guys bickering about politics at this point. The few current posters remaining are probably looking for a new home.

Exactly.

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This statement from management is ridiculous, infuriates me and just stinks of their lack of personal and institutional integrity, but so much of the anger that I hear seems like we’d be kicking ourselves in the junk to get back at them. We’re the ones who will be here long term - so we’re the ones who will suffer if we make our company worse again. I don’t see the long term win in punishing our customers and ourselves in the long game. So my real question, probably for the MEC too, is how do we not injure ourselves and yet bring this insanity and poor leadership to account? Is it even possible? What matters to them but not to our long term customers?

Management is taking full advantage of the generational shift created by Covid and the VEOP. The institutional knowledge lost when most, if not all, of the bankruptcy era direct operational experience walked out the door will never be replaced. The new crop of Delta pilots will never know what they don't know. Even the furloughed pilots weren't here voting on this stuff and/or weren't on property when the US Air threat happened. It is the responsibility of the old "now senior" pilots to preach the tactics of management. Even if the younger generation ignores you with the ear pods, you have to keep telling the stories. Embrace your inner curmudgeon. They don't know how bad it can get, hopefully they will only know in tales and legends of yore.

Thats great in theory, but there aren't many tools to fight back which are legal under the RLA. Management knows this, and knows they have a tremendous advantage. Surely there is something legal the pilot group can do to push back and draw a line in the sand not to be crossed. Surely there's something legal that can be done which will make management feel pain and realize its better/faster/cheaper to honor their agreements. Something something NPS something?

Well said. Most of the shouting down I've gotten on this thread have been from the exact pilots you mention. They'd be well served to do more listening/thinking and less arguing.

Time to vote in UAW to represent pilots . At least they got some Kahunas .

Of all the ways to go, that’s one of them.

Man. Sour grapes sky is falling from the old guys. Great way to reach an audience. We could just brief to standard.

You may have been an active observer or perhaps a participant in the decisions of the past. Now you’re just sport “complaining” not trying to educate through story, example, or argument.

Try to do better. By all means preach as our history is important, but quantity of words and anger doesn’t make an argument.

Heres the proof that English/grammar skills, writing, and critical thinking are no longer taught in schools.

Want to keep a secret from a youngster? Write it in cursive.

Learn from history or repeat it, junior.

Gosh I wish had been born earlier to go to those superior schools. Your so wise. I’m glad I don’t have your’re bad attitude. I guess I could care less about this whole thing. You definitely one this argument. Back 2 my expresso. You are definitely more better than me.

Wisdom comes from mistakes. The same ones you are making.

You'll learn. The hard way. Same as us.

“Silence at the proper season is wisdom, and better than any speech.” – Plutarch

I learned cursive in school. Am I allowed to have an opinion now?

With ear pods and being constantly distracted by watches they are not going to learn anything from older generations.
which simply means they’ll fall on their faces 10 times harder than we did when we were kids.
sad to see, but technology really kills the buzz.

when they fly through hail they blame the training department, when the lock the brakes they blame their shoes.
it’s cute and I hope it protects their licenses.

not according to AC 121-42 and -43

"Fascinating" - Spock

That made me laugh. Well played.

You’d be best off keeping your secrets with pig Latin. I’ll forgive you for not understanding that though, everyone has things to learn.

Hats?
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Hats off + a new lanyard is the best first step.

1. It’s legal and RLA-compliant.
2. It has no adverse effect on our customers. They don’t care as long as we fly from point A to point B safely and on time.
3. It gets under management’s skin (see PB’s emotional tantrum over hats during an upgrade class visit last year).
4. There is absolutely nothing that management can do about it when adopted by >90% of the pilot group.

If I recall correctly, ol' Dougie Parker made his attempt in late 2006. In July of 2004, Delta began recalling furloughees so a vast majority would have been recalled by the end of 2006 (almost 2 1/2 years later) while Parker's shenanigans were playing out.

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Reminds me of the high school student looking at the Declaration of Independence. What is this foreign language?

Most of my generation learned more about bad and hostile management who dragged negotiations on for upwards of a decade at our regionals. And my generation dealt with it and the repercussions of having to fight management while making 10% of what you made. Forgive us if we don't need your patronizing attitude.