PB's Letter - DALPA? Anyone? Bueller?
11-30-2023 | 02:58 PM
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Out of all of the issues that APA has, this isn’t one of them.
What does that have to do with anything? I voted the way that I did based on personal convictions, as did everyone else here. Nobody casts a vote based on which way they believe the rest of the pilot group is going to vote. I knew that both would pass.
If your belief is that the pilot group would elect DH, then why be fearful of sending the chair position to a membership-wide vote?
What does that have to do with anything? I voted the way that I did based on personal convictions, as did everyone else here. Nobody casts a vote based on which way they believe the rest of the pilot group is going to vote. I knew that both would pass.
If your belief is that the pilot group would elect DH, then why be fearful of sending the chair position to a membership-wide vote?
In the current way we do business, we would have to choose between 2 or more random pilots no one has heard of and decide based solely on high school class president quality campaign letters. I promise free food in the crew lounge and hotel points! If that person wins, the LEC has no power to speak for the will of their constituents. 0-9? Too bad..the pilots elected Captain free stuff for everyone.
11-30-2023 | 03:02 PM
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So you guys are fine with not getting paid, violations of the PWA (PS after reroute, scope etc) and a union basically sitting back and letting it happen? Our MEC Chair gave away something we spent negotiationg capital on - for nothing in return!
I called my captain rep. What I heard is basically DALPA is going to do F-all of nothing. Really. That's what our 15 minute convo boiled down to. I was speechless at the end. The apathy I see is troubling. Its like almost overnight the collective pilot group is aflicted with Stockholm Syndrome. What is the answer, collectively to the open hostitlity being demonstrated on multiple levels from our management? Sit back, wait?
I called my captain rep. What I heard is basically DALPA is going to do F-all of nothing. Really. That's what our 15 minute convo boiled down to. I was speechless at the end. The apathy I see is troubling. Its like almost overnight the collective pilot group is aflicted with Stockholm Syndrome. What is the answer, collectively to the open hostitlity being demonstrated on multiple levels from our management? Sit back, wait?
11-30-2023 | 03:23 PM
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I'm not "afraid" of a membership vote. It's just a dumb proposition with how we currently do union business. Our LECs run the show. They set policy. They vote to approve certain chair positions. They vote for contractual LOAs or TAs. They set the negotiating priorities. The MEC Chairman works directly for the majority of them.
In the current way we do business, we would have to choose between 2 or more random pilots no one has heard of and decide based solely on high school class president quality campaign letters. I promise free food in the crew lounge and hotel points! If that person wins, the LEC has no power to speak for the will of their constituents. 0-9? Too bad..the pilots elected Captain free stuff for everyone.
In the current way we do business, we would have to choose between 2 or more random pilots no one has heard of and decide based solely on high school class president quality campaign letters. I promise free food in the crew lounge and hotel points! If that person wins, the LEC has no power to speak for the will of their constituents. 0-9? Too bad..the pilots elected Captain free stuff for everyone.
I’m more interested in the voices of the pilot group as a whole being heard than I am the voices of the few select pilots who are on the MEC — many of whom are only concerned about their ALPA careers. There are too many potential conflicts of interest and ways to manipulate a group that small. The potential risks to having a much larger electorate are significantly less IMHO.
The current situation demonstrates the need for greater checks and balances on the MEC.
11-30-2023 | 03:32 PM
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In other words, the same way we currently choose LEC leaders. And as your first paragraph states, the LECs are supposed to be running the show regardless.
I’m more interested in the voices of the pilot group as a whole being heard than I am the voices of the few select pilots who are on the MEC — many of whom are only concerned about their ALPA careers. There are too many potential conflicts of interest and ways to manipulate a group that small. The potential risks to having a much larger electorate are significantly less IMHO.
The current situation demonstrates the need for greater checks and balances on the MEC.
I’m more interested in the voices of the pilot group as a whole being heard than I am the voices of the few select pilots who are on the MEC — many of whom are only concerned about their ALPA careers. There are too many potential conflicts of interest and ways to manipulate a group that small. The potential risks to having a much larger electorate are significantly less IMHO.
The current situation demonstrates the need for greater checks and balances on the MEC.
I won't support a change in MEC elections until we make more meaningful changes to how our union does business. Otherwise, it's too easy for fringe demographics to spin the narrative in their favor.
11-30-2023 | 03:44 PM
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I've already said I don't like our current system but at least you're more likely to encounter and talk to one of the reps in your base. I haven't seen or talked to anyone from Seattle in months.
I won't support a change in MEC elections until we make more meaningful changes to how our union does business. Otherwise, it's too easy for fringe demographics to spin the narrative in their favor.
I won't support a change in MEC elections until we make more meaningful changes to how our union does business. Otherwise, it's too easy for fringe demographics to spin the narrative in their favor.
11-30-2023 | 03:47 PM
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I've already said I don't like our current system but at least you're more likely to encounter and talk to one of the reps in your base. I haven't seen or talked to anyone from Seattle in months.
I won't support a change in MEC elections until we make more meaningful changes to how our union does business. Otherwise, it's too easy for fringe demographics to spin the narrative in their favor.
I won't support a change in MEC elections until we make more meaningful changes to how our union does business. Otherwise, it's too easy for fringe demographics to spin the narrative in their favor.
Most of them do pay attention, and after watching the trainwreck at APA, are probably not interested in that kind of governance.
11-30-2023 | 03:51 PM
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You clearly weren’t here pre-2015, because then you’d know what top down MEC governance really looks like.
11-30-2023 | 04:03 PM
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And somehow, an unknown candidate with only a single 2 year term as MEC chairman defeated the assumed heir apparent from UAL in the most lopsided election in ALPA history.
You clearly weren’t here pre-2015, because then you’d know what top down MEC governance really looks like.
You clearly weren’t here pre-2015, because then you’d know what top down MEC governance really looks like.
I was around pre-2015. Suffice it to say, Moak is the worst product of ALPA’s flawed election bylaws.
11-30-2023 | 04:09 PM
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11-30-2023 | 04:21 PM
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And somehow, an unknown candidate with only a single 2 year term as MEC chairman defeated the assumed heir apparent from UAL in the most lopsided election in ALPA history.
You clearly weren’t here pre-2015, because then you’d know what top down MEC governance really looks like.
You clearly weren’t here pre-2015, because then you’d know what top down MEC governance really looks like.
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