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notEnuf 12-02-2023 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3730497)
It didn't need to change for the health of the committe - it needed to change so pilots could achieve resolution to their complaints in a timely manner. Take a look at the anger pilots have with the ACE timeline, and where those fires are directed (the committee) instead of the violator (the company). You may attribute intentionality to the actions of scheduling where I think in many ways it is sheer incompetence and undermanning, but perhaps we agree it was unsustainable. Since I'd like to find wins that return us to proper application of seniority, a trip assignment timeline that is favorable to QOL (and not just the minority who can or wish to exploit system chaos for financial gain at financial expense of those who cannot or will not), and because systemic chaos ultiately hurts our brand and profitability/market share...I see some benefit to the agreement we came to. It's not the agreement I would have pursued but I do think it's better than its precedent. It's also attributable to the MEC and not just to DH.

I think we are saying the same thing. By health of the commitee I mean there is no capacity for anything else and SK is in charge of that. Other responsibilies were not getting the proper attention because burnout by members doing what should have been Delta's accounting reposibility was consuming the committee. I stand by my accusations of deliberate action. The scheduler level stuff was not intentional but the continued chaos was by design from above for a specific purpose, as was weaponization of 23.M.7. It was still too little a quid and would not have passed MEMRAT, so it wasn't ever going to be attempted.

ancman 12-02-2023 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3730497)
and because systemic chaos ultiately hurts our brand and profitability/market share...

Whose problem was that? Ours or the company’s? True leverage is hard to come by in the RLA environment. The combination of batch sizes, mass numbers of pilots submitting blanket slips, our lengthy 23.N and 23.O ladders, and limited crew scheduling resources created a perfect storm of chaos that the company never envisioned. The cost to the company was massive, particularly considering that many of those issues contributed to the system-wide meltdowns that we experienced between 2021 and early 2023.

The scheduling committee, MEC, and DH had one job: sit back and relax. We were in the “time” bucket. The cost to the company and their need to resolve it was growing every day. Instead, the company pulled off a successful gaslighting job by convincing the MEC that it was our problem. They succeeded in getting DH, SK, and the MEC to quickly forfeit the massive leverage we had achieved.

Yes, there were temporary issues with seniority being abrogated, but the cost to us paled in comparison to the company’s cost. Further, if you were senior and were consistently getting upset over junior pilots taking “your” green slip, then you were doing it wrong. The correct action as a senior pilot was to clear your schedule, put in a month-long blanket OOBWS + rolling in-base WS, block the ARCOS number, and sit back and watch the 23M7 payments come in. There was at least one scheduling committee member who I am aware of who was doing that himself.

The key fact that you omitted from your long narrative is that we already had a solution in our hands: 23.W.1.d in our new PWA. Ultimately, having direct API access to DBMS would have enabled the scheduling committee to automate the entire process of detecting and enforcing coverage violations. If the company was paying 23.M.7 payments in only 25% of the cases due previously, then the eventual implementation of 23.W.1.d would quadruple their costs as enforcement nears 100%. Management knew this. It’s why they sought a rushed solution from the MEC.

Undervaluing that leverage was DALPA’s greatest blunder since TA1. In time, it could have been traded for a massive quid of high value to the pilot group. I don’t like to publicly criticize our union or its leaders, but in this case it’s due. It’s time for new leadership.

Gspeed 12-02-2023 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3730566)
I'm actually not bitter at all.

lol Thanks for the laugh.

Hotel Kilo 12-02-2023 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3730628)
Whose problem was that? Ours or the company’s? True leverage is hard to come by in the RLA environment. The combination of batch sizes, mass numbers of pilots submitting blanket slips, our lengthy 23.N and 23.O ladders, and limited crew scheduling resources created a perfect storm of chaos that the company never envisioned. The cost to the company was massive, particularly considering that many of those issues contributed to the system-wide meltdowns that we experienced between 2021 and early 2023.

The scheduling committee, MEC, and DH had one job: sit back and relax. We were in the “time” bucket. The cost to the company and their need to resolve it was growing every day. Instead, the company pulled off a successful gaslighting job by convincing the MEC that it was our problem. They succeeded in getting DH, SK, and the MEC to quickly forfeit the massive leverage we had achieved.

Yes, there were temporary issues with seniority being abrogated, but the cost to us paled in comparison to the company’s cost. Further, if you were senior and were consistently getting upset over junior pilots taking “your” green slip, then you were doing it wrong. The correct action as a senior pilot was to clear your schedule, put in a month-long blanket OOBWS + rolling in-base WS, block the ARCOS number, and sit back and watch the 23M7 payments come in. There was at least one scheduling committee member who I am aware of who was doing that himself.

The key fact that you omitted from your long narrative is that we already had a solution in our hands: 23.W.1.d in our new PWA. Ultimately, having direct API access to DBMS would have enabled the scheduling committee to automate the entire process of detecting and enforcing coverage violations. If the company was paying 23.M.7 payments in only 25% of the cases due previously, then the eventual implementation of 23.W.1.d would quadruple their costs as enforcement nears 100%. Management knew this. It’s why they sought a rushed solution from the MEC.

Undervaluing that leverage was DALPA’s greatest blunder since TA1. In time, it could have been traded for a massive quid of high value to the pilot group. I don’t like to publicly criticize our union or its leaders, but in this case it’s due. It’s time for new leadership.

Well said. That will about cover the fly-bys

All 5 Stages 12-02-2023 02:28 PM

What ancman said.

A5S

Red Swingline 12-03-2023 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3730676)
lol Thanks for the laugh.

Perhaps miserable is a better word? I’m sure it’s tough to recognize for someone who spends significant time on websites like chit chat surrounded by like-minded individuals.


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