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JamesBond 12-01-2023 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3729677)

If your belief is that the pilot group would elect DH, then why be fearful of sending the chair position to a membership-wide vote?

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Whoopsmybad 12-01-2023 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3730089)
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

My fear that someone could sway the vote worse. Remember the 4 we had running? KP had zero chance. As did the guy who does the podcast. What if the other guy turned into a rabble rouser? Then we have a MEC chair who tried to get the FO rep recalled for voting against him. Someone who would pull a stunt like that is dangerous.

Gspeed 12-01-2023 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3730089)
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You guys are….something.

The MEC Chair works directly for the MEC, which is comprised of the LEC reps. Having a MEC Chair elected by the pilot group creates the same train wreck system currently known as the APA.

ancman 12-01-2023 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3730195)
My fear that someone could sway the vote worse. Remember the 4 we had running? KP had zero chance. As did the guy who does the podcast. What if the other guy turned into a rabble rouser? Then we have a MEC chair who tried to get the FO rep recalled for voting against him. Someone who would pull a stunt like that is dangerous.

Almost as dangerous as someone who would voluntarily give away a negotiated benefit from our PWA, for nothing in return, through a closed-door settlement process. Then five months later send videos to the pilot group about how he is surprised and angry that management continues to walk all over him.

freezingflyboy 12-01-2023 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by myrkridia (Post 3729467)
What do you have against chickens?

Harbaugh says chicken is a nervous bird.https://chumley.barstoolsports.com/w...wlWwAA6lTQ.png

JamesBond 12-01-2023 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3730204)
You guys are….something.

The MEC Chair works directly for the MEC, which is comprised of the LEC reps. Having a MEC Chair elected by the pilot group creates the same train wreck system currently known as the APA.

Hopefully they are stupid enough to join ALPA. You need the dues.

TED74 12-01-2023 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3730233)
Almost as dangerous as someone who would voluntarily give away a negotiated benefit from our PWA, for nothing in return, through a closed-door settlement process. Then five months later send videos to the pilot group about how he is surprised and angry that management continues to walk all over him.


You guys who keep saying “nothing in return” either don’t know the details or you’re intentionally ignoring the facts of the agreement or the circumstances surrounding it. It’s fine to disagree with the trade we made with the settlement agreement or feel like we didn’t get enough, or demand that something so important go to memrat. But you sound like an ignoramus to imply one man unilaterally gave the company something for nothing. A majority of our reps, in conjunction with and on the recommendation of a well-informed, hard-working and pilot-friendly scheduling committee chair, decided to strike the deal they did. Your hyperbole on the matter perfectly illustrates why we don’t need thousands of pilots group-thinking our way onto direct- electing a snake oil salesman promising to take management to the woodshed.

interceptorpilo 12-01-2023 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3730241)
You guys who keep saying “nothing in return” either don’t know the details or you’re intentionally ignoring the facts of the agreement or the circumstances surrounding it. It’s fine to disagree with the trade we made with the settlement agreement or feel like we didn’t get enough, or demand that something so important go to memrat. But you sound like an ignoramus to imply one man unilaterally gave the company something for nothing. A majority of our reps, in conjunction with and on the recommendation of a well-informed, hard-working and pilot-friendly scheduling committee chair, decided to strike the deal they did. Your hyperbole on the matter perfectly illustrates why we don’t need thousands of pilots group-thinking our way onto direct- electing a snake oil salesman promising to take management to the woodshed.

OK. So what did we get? Specifically. Not go read the agreement. What is it we got? A promise? Unfulfilled months later with no punishment for not following through? Really. Is there something I am missing here? I hope there is.

JamesBond 12-01-2023 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3730241)
You guys who keep saying “nothing in return” either don’t know the details or you’re intentionally ignoring the facts of the agreement or the circumstances surrounding it. It’s fine to disagree with the trade we made with the settlement agreement or feel like we didn’t get enough, or demand that something so important go to memrat. But you sound like an ignoramus to imply one man unilaterally gave the company something for nothing. A majority of our reps, in conjunction with and on the recommendation of a well-informed, hard-working and pilot-friendly scheduling committee chair, decided to strike the deal they did. Your hyperbole on the matter perfectly illustrates why we don’t need thousands of pilots group-thinking our way onto direct- electing a snake oil salesman promising to take management to the woodshed.

But that "group think" is somehow different than an alleged poll that destroyed a much ballyhooed pillar of the contract.

Good to know.

CBreezy 12-01-2023 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 3730233)
Almost as dangerous as someone who would voluntarily give away a negotiated benefit from our PWA, for nothing in return, through a closed-door settlement process. Then five months later send videos to the pilot group about how he is surprised and angry that management continues to walk all over him.

The deal was approved by the majority of the MEC. They gave him the authority to make that deal.


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