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Quote: Looking at the staffing formula, silver slips count towards the formula same way GS do.
Good to know thanks! That reduces the downside a lot long term.
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Quote: I guess I just know how one does the cost-benefit analysis for 17,000 pilots. I have a tough enough time analyzing for me and my family.

Fundamentally, more notice works in my favor. Maybe not yours, maybe not Jimbob’s. And some day when I’m an empty nester maybe I’ll long for the days when I built my work life around the adrenaline of short-notice double pay and the magic of PB days. But as I’ve matured in my relationships and marriage, I have come to appreciate the actual toll schedule unpredictability/chaos/changes brings into my life (not yours / not Jimbob’s). There’s much about this career that isn’t healthy and I’m finding as healthy an approach as I can to attacking it for the next couple of decades. Under this contract, I make enough money I don’t need green slips. I also seem to be generating occasional green slip equivalent pay through reroutes and soft pay. I guess I’m lucky that what I want out of this job seems to be in the majority at the moment. Second-day coverage wasn’t just sold to the group - it was the answer to a request for exactly that by many of us. Operationally, it also enhances our product and helps bring in the ridiculous revenue premium we hold above our peers.

Regarding “caught up staffing”… that’s not a thing. Ten years ago, we had 5,000 fewer pilots. Delta’s gonna add flying as long as it generates profit, whether we have 17,000 pilots or 27,000 pilots. Green slips and premium pay will aways be there…until we’re caught by a softened economy or diminished demand faster than we can turn off the hiring spigot. And when that happens, I’ll still love all the good I get out of a longer view of my work obligations as a reserve or line holder.
Schedule predictability has always been available to those who want it here. With the exception of reroutes, anyone here can know their schedule WEEKS in advance by leaving it alone after PBS awards come out. Many pilots prefer that, which is fine.

I personally prefer to work less, for more money. Green slips, IA, GSWC, PB days, credit surfing, and other scheduling tricks enable that. There are plenty of pilots who fall into this group as well.

Giving the company efficiencies via second-day coverage, unlimited batch sizes, or several other examples benefits neither group and harms the latter.

And since you’re drinking the “revenue premium” Kool Aid, what exactly is our current premium over UA? How about AA? Have you flown on either of our major competitors lately? Our products are becoming increasingly similar by the day. Personally, I’ve enjoyed flying the others lately and not waiting 1-2 hours for the FAs to begin their service in calm air with the seatbelt sign off.
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Quote: Schedule predictability has always been available to those who want it here. With the exception of reroutes, anyone here can know their schedule WEEKS in advance by leaving it alone after PBS awards come out. Many pilots prefer that, which is fine.

I personally prefer to work less, for more money. Green slips, IA, GSWC, PB days, credit surfing, and other scheduling tricks enable that. There are plenty of pilots who fall into this group as well.

Giving the company efficiencies via second-day coverage, unlimited batch sizes, or several other examples benefits neither group and harms the latter.

And since you’re drinking the “revenue premium” Kool Aid, what exactly is our current premium over UA? How about AA? Have you flown on either of our major competitors lately? Our products are becoming increasingly similar by the day. Personally, I’ve enjoyed flying the others lately and not waiting 1-2 hours for the FAs to begin their service in calm air with the seatbelt sign off.
AA is a horrible experience all around and the angry FAs at United are not welcoming

Polaris is not that great, I prefer D1 to it.

Personally AA and UA have a Long way to go to reach us. Oh yeah the UA lounges are mostly understaffed and not as good. Given option I go centurion if available over the UA lounge product. Same goes for American
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Quote: Good luck getting any green slips if staffing catches up. The last several years have been an aberration and anyone who’s been here a while should have told you that. Anyone who is depending on GS to make their budget is planning to fail.
Pilots who've been here more than 10 years know this.

Pilots who've been here less than 5 years know it too, but haven't lived it.

There's a reason the "Navigating summer flying" guide on the ALPA site says "it is generally recommended that a pilot only attempt [rolling thunder] when the projected reserve percentage is less than 10% in order to ensure a sufficiently high probability of success"

Then again, who knows? Maybe the company bean counters are happy with the big green river of the past couple of years.
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Quote: Giving the company efficiencies via second-day coverage, unlimited batch sizes, or several other examples benefits neither group...
Having trippled down on knowing what benefits everyone on the seniority list, I am comfortable in my assessment that you actually have no idea what you're talking about. But maybe if you keep saying it over and over you can will it into fact.
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Quote: Having trippled down on knowing what benefits everyone on the seniority list, I am comfortable in my assessment that you actually have no idea what you're talking about. But maybe if you keep saying it over and over you can will it into fact.
You’re right. Keep fooling yourself into believing that second-day green slips are the long-term benefit of providing new efficiencies that are designed to reduce premium flying. The company depends on people like you.
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Quote: You’re right. Keep fooling yourself into believing that second-day green slips are the long-term benefit of providing new efficiencies that are designed to reduce premium flying.
And you also prove that you can't or won't read my posts. Never have I suggested your straw man argument.

Why don't you tell me how I should bid for April - does that sound ok? You don't know me, my category, my family, my schedule, what I like to fly, what I don't like to fly, how much I'd like to earn, how much I need to earn or how much notice I like to have before I start shuffling my personal schedule around. But with the confidence you have that you know what's good for the pilot group, none of that matters, amiright???
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Quote: And you also prove that you can't or won't read my posts. Never have I suggested your straw man argument.

Why don't you tell me how I should bid for April - does that sound ok? You don't know me, my category, my family, my schedule, what I like to fly, what I don't like to fly, how much I'd like to earn, how much I need to earn or how much notice I like to have before I start shuffling my personal schedule around. But with the confidence you have that you know what's good for the pilot group, none of that matters, amiright???
Nor have you been reading mine. I’m not talking about your personal preferences. I’m talking about your ridiculous argument that providing the company with better reserve utilization will lead to you getting more advance notice green slips over time.
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Quote: Nor have you been reading mine. I’m not talking about your personal preferences. I’m talking about your ridiculous argument that providing the company with better reserve utilization will lead to you getting more advance notice green slips over time.
I can't think of anything more ridiculous than you arguing with me about something I never never said and don't believe.

And when you quote me making a "ridiculous argument that providing the company with better reserve utilization will lead to you getting more advance notice green slips over time" (or anything even remotely close to that), I'll send a Benjamin to your favorite charity.
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Quote: As a parent, I’ve liked more notice on green slips as both a reserve pilot and a line holder.
Choose your favorite charity.
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