ALPA Hate
05-19-2024 | 08:28 AM
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ALPA Hate
I imagine this thread is going to snowball rapidly, but hopefully there will be an answer before it does.
Why is the hate for ALPA so strong amongst some pilots? It is a level of disgust similar to AOC supporter’s opinion of Trump, and vice versa.
I understand the loss of pension, contract negotiations since, and the current age 67 stance. I have read Flying The Line.
I have brought it up a few times in the cockpit and it usually turns sideways. Understandably, it’s a sensitive subject filled with emotion. The answers were usually broad statements about ALPA being self serving followed by me being dismissed and moving on to another subject.
Is there anything besides age 67 and pensions being replaced?
Why is the hate for ALPA so strong amongst some pilots? It is a level of disgust similar to AOC supporter’s opinion of Trump, and vice versa.
I understand the loss of pension, contract negotiations since, and the current age 67 stance. I have read Flying The Line.
I have brought it up a few times in the cockpit and it usually turns sideways. Understandably, it’s a sensitive subject filled with emotion. The answers were usually broad statements about ALPA being self serving followed by me being dismissed and moving on to another subject.
Is there anything besides age 67 and pensions being replaced?
05-19-2024 | 01:29 PM
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I imagine this thread is going to snowball rapidly, but hopefully there will be an answer before it does.
Why is the hate for ALPA so strong amongst some pilots? It is a level of disgust similar to AOC supporter’s opinion of Trump, and vice versa.
I understand the loss of pension, contract negotiations since, and the current age 67 stance. I have read Flying The Line.
I have brought it up a few times in the cockpit and it usually turns sideways. Understandably, it’s a sensitive subject filled with emotion. The answers were usually broad statements about ALPA being self serving followed by me being dismissed and moving on to another subject.
Is there anything besides age 67 and pensions being replaced?
Why is the hate for ALPA so strong amongst some pilots? It is a level of disgust similar to AOC supporter’s opinion of Trump, and vice versa.
I understand the loss of pension, contract negotiations since, and the current age 67 stance. I have read Flying The Line.
I have brought it up a few times in the cockpit and it usually turns sideways. Understandably, it’s a sensitive subject filled with emotion. The answers were usually broad statements about ALPA being self serving followed by me being dismissed and moving on to another subject.
Is there anything besides age 67 and pensions being replaced?
05-19-2024 | 01:50 PM
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That and many pilots would prefer to see themselves as rugged individualists rather than being dependent on any collective bargaining agent for the large number (currently) on their pay check. Many seem anxious to find fault with our union. I've always thought pilots should at least try to do no harm, but too many just can't help themselves from repeatedly sewing the seeds of disunity.
05-19-2024 | 01:52 PM
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I imagine this thread is going to snowball rapidly, but hopefully there will be an answer before it does.
Why is the hate for ALPA so strong amongst some pilots? It is a level of disgust similar to AOC supporter’s opinion of Trump, and vice versa.
I understand the loss of pension, contract negotiations since, and the current age 67 stance. I have read Flying The Line.
I have brought it up a few times in the cockpit and it usually turns sideways. Understandably, it’s a sensitive subject filled with emotion. The answers were usually broad statements about ALPA being self serving followed by me being dismissed and moving on to another subject.
Is there anything besides age 67 and pensions being replaced?
Why is the hate for ALPA so strong amongst some pilots? It is a level of disgust similar to AOC supporter’s opinion of Trump, and vice versa.
I understand the loss of pension, contract negotiations since, and the current age 67 stance. I have read Flying The Line.
I have brought it up a few times in the cockpit and it usually turns sideways. Understandably, it’s a sensitive subject filled with emotion. The answers were usually broad statements about ALPA being self serving followed by me being dismissed and moving on to another subject.
Is there anything besides age 67 and pensions being replaced?
They don’t scream about anything, and won’t say anything unless they are asked specifically. They are quite thankful ALPA had their back, and think it’s the best money ever spent.
05-19-2024 | 02:10 PM
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I imagine this thread is going to snowball rapidly, but hopefully there will be an answer before it does.
Why is the hate for ALPA so strong amongst some pilots? It is a level of disgust similar to AOC supporter’s opinion of Trump, and vice versa.
I understand the loss of pension, contract negotiations since, and the current age 67 stance. I have read Flying The Line.
I have brought it up a few times in the cockpit and it usually turns sideways. Understandably, it’s a sensitive subject filled with emotion. The answers were usually broad statements about ALPA being self serving followed by me being dismissed and moving on to another subject.
Is there anything besides age 67 and pensions being replaced?
Why is the hate for ALPA so strong amongst some pilots? It is a level of disgust similar to AOC supporter’s opinion of Trump, and vice versa.
I understand the loss of pension, contract negotiations since, and the current age 67 stance. I have read Flying The Line.
I have brought it up a few times in the cockpit and it usually turns sideways. Understandably, it’s a sensitive subject filled with emotion. The answers were usually broad statements about ALPA being self serving followed by me being dismissed and moving on to another subject.
Is there anything besides age 67 and pensions being replaced?
There are plenty of times over the past decade that I’ve felt well-represented by DALPA. They’ve negotiated several (mostly) good deals for us and stood up to management when needed. Particularly during the Covid era and C19 negotiation cycle.
That said, I’m not impressed by DH or the current MEC majority. The 23M7 deal was, IMHO, the worst deal DALPA has made in 10 years. Management is currently walking all over our PWA, reinterpreting section by section as they wish. We need strong, competent leadership at this point.
05-19-2024 | 02:18 PM
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I imagine this thread is going to snowball rapidly, but hopefully there will be an answer before it does.
Why is the hate for ALPA so strong amongst some pilots? It is a level of disgust similar to AOC supporter’s opinion of Trump, and vice versa.
I understand the loss of pension, contract negotiations since, and the current age 67 stance. I have read Flying The Line.
I have brought it up a few times in the cockpit and it usually turns sideways. Understandably, it’s a sensitive subject filled with emotion. The answers were usually broad statements about ALPA being self serving followed by me being dismissed and moving on to another subject.
Is there anything besides age 67 and pensions being replaced?
Why is the hate for ALPA so strong amongst some pilots? It is a level of disgust similar to AOC supporter’s opinion of Trump, and vice versa.
I understand the loss of pension, contract negotiations since, and the current age 67 stance. I have read Flying The Line.
I have brought it up a few times in the cockpit and it usually turns sideways. Understandably, it’s a sensitive subject filled with emotion. The answers were usually broad statements about ALPA being self serving followed by me being dismissed and moving on to another subject.
Is there anything besides age 67 and pensions being replaced?
Everyone in the airlines is also sheltered from what working in a non union industry has been like for the last 40 years. Even the non union carriers are propped up by the union carriers and the effects of the RLA.
05-19-2024 | 03:09 PM
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Not sure why some "hate" the union; same as why some "love" the union. I don't think either emotion is healthy for a functioning representative body.
Members should strive to stay engaged with the union as much as possible. I interpret this as providing both positive and negative feedback to your representatives; attending LEC meetings -- especially when a critical decision is brewing; vote, or submit proxies; read the communications, and provide feedback. Our TA had tremendous membership participation, as did the recent C081 recall vote.
I understand that constructive criticism can be interpreted as "hate," but I would take that any day over apathy and non-participation.
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Members should strive to stay engaged with the union as much as possible. I interpret this as providing both positive and negative feedback to your representatives; attending LEC meetings -- especially when a critical decision is brewing; vote, or submit proxies; read the communications, and provide feedback. Our TA had tremendous membership participation, as did the recent C081 recall vote.
I understand that constructive criticism can be interpreted as "hate," but I would take that any day over apathy and non-participation.
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