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08-10-2024 | 05:44 AM
#201
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08-10-2024 | 05:54 AM
#202
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
They save at least 50% compared to a GS or RRTE.
Maybe they'd save on premium flying out of NYC, but my guess is that requires considering the second-order effects and they just aren't those kind of checkers players & they figure a lot of NYC are new hires who'll fly whatever they throw at them.
08-10-2024 | 06:00 AM
#203
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Now, I don't condone sending another pilot's luggage to Kuala Lumpur International Airport, but I do understand why it used to happen :-)
... every tear drop that falls from an OOBWS over SS gives an Atlanta Angel wings.
08-10-2024 | 06:36 AM
#204
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From: Pilot
So lets say two pilots are around 5,000 seniority.
That's 50% 320A in Atlanta
That's 18% in NYC
So the NYC guy can get day lines and other things easily traded away to make his'self (don't know any women who Ninja this stuff) to effectively put himself on permanent no-notice short call RESERVE in Atlanta for broken rotations. Usually, this works out to be less pay for him, but maybe a better quality of life. The most aggressive of these players reduce the premium flying in a senior base by ~$25,000 to ~30,000 a month PER PILOT if they fill up with flying that would have otherwise gone out as premium flying. I tracked one pilot (a guy who I actually like and who now lives in base) for a few months (he was not the most aggressive) and it was saving the company ~$12,000 a month.
Most everyone who takes the seniority hit to bid a senior base sees it as breaking in line. C44 has roll call votes and could have fixed the poaching. They're more focused on their next Admin job and are not going to rock their Senatorial Vote count to put Atlanta pilots first. So, it is "legal" for junior pilots to take senior pilots work.
Where things should be improved:
That's 50% 320A in Atlanta
That's 18% in NYC
So the NYC guy can get day lines and other things easily traded away to make his'self (don't know any women who Ninja this stuff) to effectively put himself on permanent no-notice short call RESERVE in Atlanta for broken rotations. Usually, this works out to be less pay for him, but maybe a better quality of life. The most aggressive of these players reduce the premium flying in a senior base by ~$25,000 to ~30,000 a month PER PILOT if they fill up with flying that would have otherwise gone out as premium flying. I tracked one pilot (a guy who I actually like and who now lives in base) for a few months (he was not the most aggressive) and it was saving the company ~$12,000 a month.
Most everyone who takes the seniority hit to bid a senior base sees it as breaking in line. C44 has roll call votes and could have fixed the poaching. They're more focused on their next Admin job and are not going to rock their Senatorial Vote count to put Atlanta pilots first. So, it is "legal" for junior pilots to take senior pilots work.
Where things should be improved:
- The company encourages this **** by covering trips the second they drop into open time (as much as 3 days prior) instead of letting the trips run through PCS where pilots could swap >1 day out.
- The company hasn't followed up on NY pilots who are too lazy to drop their trips and instead just call in sick for them, then fly back with Atlanta flying
- PS commuting MIGHT make line breaking less prevalent. (If we gave them a Disney fast pass, would they stay in their line?)
08-10-2024 | 06:42 AM
#205
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
08-10-2024 | 06:56 AM
#206
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So lets say two pilots are around 5,000 seniority.
That's 50% 320A in Atlanta
That's 18% in NYC
So the NYC guy can get day lines and other things easily traded away to make his'self (don't know any women who Ninja this stuff) to effectively put himself on permanent no-notice short call RESERVE in Atlanta for broken rotations. Usually, this works out to be less pay for him, but maybe a better quality of life. The most aggressive of these players reduce the premium flying in a senior base by ~$25,000 to ~30,000 a month PER PILOT if they fill up with flying that would have otherwise gone out as premium flying. I tracked one pilot (a guy who I actually like and who now lives in base) for a few months (he was not the most aggressive) and it was saving the company ~$12,000 a month.
Most everyone who takes the seniority hit to bid a senior base sees it as breaking in line. C44 has roll call votes and could have fixed the poaching. They're more focused on their next Admin job and are not going to rock their Senatorial Vote count to put Atlanta pilots first. So, it is "legal" for junior pilots to take senior pilots work.
Where things should be improved:
That's 50% 320A in Atlanta
That's 18% in NYC
So the NYC guy can get day lines and other things easily traded away to make his'self (don't know any women who Ninja this stuff) to effectively put himself on permanent no-notice short call RESERVE in Atlanta for broken rotations. Usually, this works out to be less pay for him, but maybe a better quality of life. The most aggressive of these players reduce the premium flying in a senior base by ~$25,000 to ~30,000 a month PER PILOT if they fill up with flying that would have otherwise gone out as premium flying. I tracked one pilot (a guy who I actually like and who now lives in base) for a few months (he was not the most aggressive) and it was saving the company ~$12,000 a month.
Most everyone who takes the seniority hit to bid a senior base sees it as breaking in line. C44 has roll call votes and could have fixed the poaching. They're more focused on their next Admin job and are not going to rock their Senatorial Vote count to put Atlanta pilots first. So, it is "legal" for junior pilots to take senior pilots work.
Where things should be improved:
- The company encourages this **** by covering trips the second they drop into open time (as much as 3 days prior) instead of letting the trips run through PCS where pilots could swap >1 day out.
- The company hasn't followed up on NY pilots who are too lazy to drop their trips and instead just call in sick for them, then fly back with Atlanta flying
- PS commuting MIGHT make line breaking less prevalent. (If we gave them a Disney fast pass, would they stay in their line?)
08-10-2024 | 07:06 AM
#207
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first of all...massive win? No. second, if you think a premium pay trip is WAY different from some of the "premium" straight pay trips, you're wrong. I drop much of my schedule and then live on the trips that are one leg out, one leg back the next morning for 10:30. Many times I would rather do that than some crappy trip for GS pay.
08-10-2024 | 07:37 AM
#208
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I guess its kind of like improving the vacation accrual - great for junior Pilots but absolutely worthless for all Pilots alrady on 5 weeks of vacation. Why didn't we add a 6th week which would provide benefits to both Junior and senior Pilots? Both SS and vacation came from the same contract - we all have something we can complain about.
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08-10-2024 | 07:38 AM
#209
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