KCM shutting down
01-29-2025 | 06:13 PM
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is delta the only airline that has crews get screened, or does time before delta count?
better resource use. you claim to have waited an hour in the passenger line in that time, but many of us who also flew to many dozens of airports of all sizes in that time never had that experience. do you know how long an hour is?
better resource use. you claim to have waited an hour in the passenger line in that time, but many of us who also flew to many dozens of airports of all sizes in that time never had that experience. do you know how long an hour is?
Again, what was the impetus for KCM? Why was A4A and ALPA pushing for it and finally able to get it approved? It wasn't for better use of resources I can assure you. Amazing how wildly out of touch you can be and your recalcitrance to remain entrenched on something that you clearly have no clue about yet purport to be affirmed in your position regardless.
01-29-2025 | 07:51 PM
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I was dropped off at the curb in LAX in plain clothes one day 15 minutes before departure time and made the flight, because I didn't have to stand in the line. No uniform, no KCM.
01-29-2025 | 08:01 PM
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Try LAX, SFO, SEA, SLC. Are those big enough, or are JFK and ATL the only ones that count?
I was dropped off at the curb in LAX in plain clothes one day 15 minutes before departure time and made the flight, because I didn't have to stand in the line. No uniform, no KCM.
I was dropped off at the curb in LAX in plain clothes one day 15 minutes before departure time and made the flight, because I didn't have to stand in the line. No uniform, no KCM.
Well there's DFW, BOS and MEM, but yeah. Not just ATL and NYC.
01-29-2025 | 08:18 PM
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I'm saying that you're wrong about crews having to stand in line for an hour+ at security. You doubling down on that despite multiple other people saying the same thing I am, and literally nobody corroborating your claim, makes you look the fool.
I'm sure it happened occasionally, probably even to you. It was not the norm.
01-29-2025 | 08:19 PM
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Eliminating known crewmembers from screening checkpoints:
1. Allows TSA to better focus its screening resources on everyone else, thereby “increasing security”.
2. Reduces security wait times for the general public.
You can Google old press releases about CrewPass / KCM and see those two commonly repeated themes. Speeding up crew screening was never a major selling point. Pre-KCM every airport either had a crew/employee line that put us ahead of the general public, or they would let us lift the rope at the front of the screening queue and go right to the front. I never once waited in line at any screening checkpoint in the U.S. while in uniform.
01-29-2025 | 08:47 PM
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There were two primary selling points when KCM was launched.
Eliminating known crewmembers from screening checkpoints:
1. Allows TSA to better focus its screening resources on everyone else, thereby “increasing security”.
2. Reduces security wait times for the general public.
You can Google old press releases about CrewPass / KCM and see those two commonly repeated themes. Speeding up crew screening was never a major selling point. Pre-KCM every airport either had a crew/employee line that put us ahead of the general public, or they would let us lift the rope at the front of the screening queue and go right to the front. I never once waited in line at any screening checkpoint in the U.S. while in uniform.
Eliminating known crewmembers from screening checkpoints:
1. Allows TSA to better focus its screening resources on everyone else, thereby “increasing security”.
2. Reduces security wait times for the general public.
You can Google old press releases about CrewPass / KCM and see those two commonly repeated themes. Speeding up crew screening was never a major selling point. Pre-KCM every airport either had a crew/employee line that put us ahead of the general public, or they would let us lift the rope at the front of the screening queue and go right to the front. I never once waited in line at any screening checkpoint in the U.S. while in uniform.
What Pistole said was it would 1 get us out of the pax screening lines (he liked that) and 2 not have crews waiting in same pax lines (ALPA and A4A liked that) thus making the screening process more efficient.
I waited in lines. Lots of different airports. Rarely was I waved forward or moved the rope to jump the line. As TSA screening became more prevalent in airports around the country, this got worse. And we're about to see a redux. I hope this new system will be better, but based on past experience I doubt it.
01-29-2025 | 09:01 PM
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Don't need to Google it. I lived it.
What Pistole said was it would 1 get us out of the pax screening lines (he liked that) and 2 not have crews waiting in same pax lines (ALPA and A4A liked that) thus making the screening process more efficient.
I waited in lines. Lots of different airports. Rarely was I waved forward or moved the rope to jump the line. As TSA screening became more prevalent in airports around the country, this got worse. And we're about to see a redux. I hope this new system will be better, but based on past experience I doubt it.
What Pistole said was it would 1 get us out of the pax screening lines (he liked that) and 2 not have crews waiting in same pax lines (ALPA and A4A liked that) thus making the screening process more efficient.
I waited in lines. Lots of different airports. Rarely was I waved forward or moved the rope to jump the line. As TSA screening became more prevalent in airports around the country, this got worse. And we're about to see a redux. I hope this new system will be better, but based on past experience I doubt it.
Most of the time TSA would shout “Crew come to the front!” if they saw anyone in uniform waiting behind passengers.
01-29-2025 | 09:13 PM
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Then you likely had other crewmembers cutting ahead of you as well. I wasn’t sheepish about cutting ahead of another pilot or FA if they were standing in line behind a bunch of passengers for whatever reason (rare, but it happened a few times). Normally they would see me and follow my lead to the front as well.
Most of the time TSA would shout “Crew come to the front!” if they saw anyone in uniform waiting behind passengers.
Most of the time TSA would shout “Crew come to the front!” if they saw anyone in uniform waiting behind passengers.
Ive pretty much fed up with being treated like a criminal before I go jump in front of a tube with a bunch of jet fuel and 300 people on it. Seems like there's a better way than what's coming in to replace KCM. Guess just keep "embracing the suck" as the mil guys like to say and just follow along. No point in getting jacked up about it, once I get to the airport it's out of my control how much time is going to be wasted getting into the secure area.
01-29-2025 | 09:24 PM
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I get it. I saw it. That's fine. Many did.
Ive pretty much fed up with being treated like a criminal before I go jump in front of a tube with a bunch of jet fuel and 300 people on it. Seems like there's a better way than what's coming in to replace KCM. Guess just keep "embracing the suck" as the mil guys like to say and just follow along. No point in getting jacked up about it, once I get to the airport it's out of my control how much time is going to be wasted getting into the secure area.
Ive pretty much fed up with being treated like a criminal before I go jump in front of a tube with a bunch of jet fuel and 300 people on it. Seems like there's a better way than what's coming in to replace KCM. Guess just keep "embracing the suck" as the mil guys like to say and just follow along. No point in getting jacked up about it, once I get to the airport it's out of my control how much time is going to be wasted getting into the secure area.
At the very least, I’m not going to let TSA herd me around the queue line while barking senseless commands like they do with our passengers. Crew to the front while in uniform is TSA’s longstanding policy from above. I’m going to assert that every time.
01-30-2025 | 01:49 AM
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the unsaid part you’re leaving out is that it was to speed up screening *for the passengers*, not for the crew or to prevent airline delays.
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