Wage theft
 

Can someone please explain to me how.. when 63% of claims prove to be inaccurately paid the first time.. the company isn’t being brought to some lawful remedy concerning wage theft?

how do we have no teeth in this and it continues from a department of labor level?

if the above and below wing workers weren’t paid correctly, wouldn’t there be some level of state investigation to that effect?

what am I missing?

this is getting ridiculous

Agree completely. Been going on way too long. Where is ALPA with the justified escalation, especially with the mountain of evidence?

The timing of this email, coming out the same day as some silly e-card from mgmt…..is priceless.

Can we get some bag tags? “63% of the time, it’s wrong every time”

Agree. ALPA is slowly and methodically ratcheting up the pressure. I think they are doing to do it “clean” if they do file a lawsuit, to show how many attempts they have the company to do the right thing.

Lmao. So true.

100% agree. It's infuriating.

Agreed. Quit telling me about it and do something about it. Making a 4 part video series on how to check your check is NOT doing something about it.

United’s pay is completely automated. And that includes the most recent contract where many provisions were copied/pasted from Delta’s. The idea that it’s too hard to promptly program is laughable.

There is one exception though. It’s a manual process for them to get compensation pay for not getting a first class deadheads seat.

We only get the add pay if we have to sit in a middle seat. I like your idea better though!

Does United get first class on most domestic DHs? We only get it for 3 hour legs that have a flying leg after.

They get first on every DH, if available at the time of booking. If an F seat wasn’t available at the time of booking, they’re placed on the upgrade list ahead of all other passengers (unless the DH was created less than 3 hours prior to departure).

we could take it to an arbitrator, but recent rulings have shown they will say things like positive space means space available.

We could have undeniable proof this is all 100% intentional wage theft and I don’t think the DOL would care.

Taking it up in one of our more labor friendly bases might work, but isn’t DL openly ignoring state labor laws in MN right now ?

Wage theft is very common in the US. The reason it’s so common is because it’s allowed by virtue of it is almost never actually prosecuted.

Terrific use of your troll account.

What are you prepared to do? (Beyond ask nicely)

Evidently AI knows exactly what to do.

So because we make good money we aren't entitled to complain and/or do anything about our employer not paying us correctly?

it’s straight cringe when non delta trolls enter our specific chats.

Definitely. In this case though, I’m 99% sure we’re dealing with an AI bot.

I was shorted $5000 during training on my last long school. I have absolutely no doubt this goes on all the time and it is on purpose. Check your checks boys……If there is an error do you honestly believe it will ever be in your favor?

He sounds like he thinks he's Matthew McConaughey giving the Wolf of Wall Street monologue

Far past time for something to be done here.

If it was a no joke error in a manual process, it would at least occasionally go in your favor. So far between ACE and STS I've gotten about $65k in pay shorted. And probably got double that paid to other pilots.


No way Its not intentional.

errors of commission vs errors of omission. the latter is far more likely, which is why it seems to go in the company’s favor all the time.

thats not to excuse the issues, just to explain that errors do not occur with the same probability.

Hats off for correct pay?

f'ing sold

Would be huge support if ALPA pushed this.

Mind if I ask what for? I’ve been trying to recover about $4k since Feb when they calculated my reserve guarantee incorrectly in a month with 19 days of qual training. At this point I’m not confident I’ll ever see it.

…..Been too many years since the incident. I thought my check was light so I brought it to the attention of payroll on the phone and she proceeded to rattle off why it was what it was and then she got silent for a minute followed by a “can I call you right back?” I was told there was an error and I was owed 5k. I was delivered a check shortly at the Holiday Inn and we got to talking. I asked had I not said anything would the error have been found and I was told no, probably not. You can bet your ass that if the error was in the company’s favor they would beat down your door for a refund. THERE ARE NO CHECKS AND BALANCES HERE. Absolutely criminal.

I vote union should come out and tell all pilots not to hand out any trading cards till pay is fixed.

I like it, but more a fan of the jacket off campaign

This, along with hats, would be great. BUT….we’re not unified enough. The die hards would scoff, just like they did during the original hats off campaign.

How about the $1.89 or $5.52 that we all got paid, well some of us did based off my unscientific polls from the company for “incorrect reroute pay?” Whats the transparency ot that?

All smoke and mirrors to show “good faith or intent” i think

Im already down $150 this month on my time card for incorrect reroute pay.

I think we would easily see an 80%+ participation rate toward another hats off campaign, especially in non-ATL bases. The die hards are dwindling in number fast.

I never put my hat back on personally. ALPA never called for an end to the last campaign. We certainly don’t have a fully implemented, nor fully adhered to contract.

I genuinely believe an official ALPA "hats off to..." campaign would be much higher than 4 out of 5. I don't have a scientific poll, but during the C19 "hats off" campaign, I'd bet participation was at least 90 or 95%, even in ATL. Many LCA's were even participating.

That said, I'd bet ALPA wants to keep that powder dry for C26.

I partially agree with you Fangs. But we need to turn up some heat on this pay issue. Bill boards, lanyards, whatever. We need to start making a little noise out there. Our approach (DALPA) is not really a winning strategy thus far. The company continues to flagrantly and willfully violate our pay as it pertains to our PWA. Those are undisputed facts.

They can cry about technology and software integration or whatever other excuse du jour. UAL seemed to be able to almost instantly implement their contract pay provisions. We're 3 years on and still it's a mess. Tired of the excuses from management and to some extent DALPA. This should have been rectified 2 years ago.

Spot on. It’s been too long and the heat needs to increase!

What is DALPA doing besides sending us emails!?!?

it’s summer time, I wanna wear shorts!

Who still wears a hat? Or a uniform sanctioned by Delta???

Hats off to state law
Hats off to wage theft
Hats off to good faith basis
Hats off to C19 full implementation
Hats off to reserve assignment accuracy

etc.

DALPA needs their own cards.

DALPA trading cards with informational picketing type messaging on one side would be terrific.