Pilot arrested in Sweden for DUI
 

News in Sweden posted that a female US pilot was arrested today when she blew positive on an alcohol test just prior to.departure.
Sweden does not have many flights to the US and it’s actually only DL from ARN-JFK is showing cancelled for today.

why is it relevant that the pilot is female? would you have written “male pilot” in another case?

I really hope the pilot, regardless of their gender, gets the help the need.

why is it relevant for you to call out that the poster wrote Female? Would you have called the poster out had they wrote male?

They certainly highlight the crap out of anything remotely positive about female pilots, or anything they think they can spin into a positive. Since that's the ecosystem they (airline industry, not women pilots) have created, are we really surprised about the lexicon?

No one has published that she was a female. The only people who know are the ones that looked up see who it was. It's completely irrelevant what gender the person is. But clearly an ax to grind against women in aviation

who is they? and be careful, a mod might think you’re stoking political narratives here

it’s relevant to call it out precisely because it would not have been mentioned if it were a male pilot (which it has been, many times without such labeling)

I paraphrased the news article. It literally states that the pilot was female.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a...e-precis-lyfta

“Kvinnan sitter nu anhållen för flygfylleri, enligt Aftonbladets uppgifter”

translates to, the woman is now arrested for DUI

Well whomever, if she/he wasn’t depressed before, they are now

That’s a strong allegation (and a lot of contempt for your fellow pilots), considering there is a link to a news article.

Why use "pilot"? Why not say "Crewmember"? Why stigmatize pilots? And do we know it was an actual birthing person or someone that identified as female when asked what gender they prefer to use? Did the people that arrested them use the proper pronouns? If not this could be a hate crime.

How is getting ****faced drunk on the overnight still a thing?

People still go out to have beers on layovers....IN THIS ECONOMY.

(But seriously though I'm too cheap for that ****)

Don’t they use some kind of sniffing device over there? One of the previous euro net perps blew well below US dui thresholds. Swedes are known to hit it pretty hard.

Not sure that you need to get ****faced drunk to blow a .01, even outside of 8 hours.

Doesn't matter as Delta has a zero tolerance policy that you have zero alcohol in your system. Not 100% sure and I'm sure someone could chime in with more info, but is HIMs still an option in this case, or is it only a before-the-fact option?

Co. policy is one thing. The US regulatory threshold for airman sobriety is .04, less than .02 considered too low for enforcement purposes. Unless that’s changed. Things change. Hims is obviously this unfortunate’s future. If, that is, she/he clears all the hurdles tossed at her path back.

“They”.



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Well in some of the Scandanavian cities a drink will set you back close to $20

High bottom, dependent drinkers might, might just get the oil warm on that.

It's been awhile since indoc, but I thought if you stepped onto the airplane, even HIMS couldn't save you.

Because "intent to fly"? But if you somehow managed to make it past security wouldn't you still be intent on flying?

No, at least for prosecution. A guy got off the hook years ago after they caught him at TSA (TSA predecessor?) by claiming that he showered, shaved, and put on the uniform because he was going to the airport to use the ops landline to call in unfit. Judge tossed the DUI due to reasonable doubt, maybe it was before cell phones were ubiquitous.

Same as if you walk out of a bar with car keys in your pocket or hand... doesn't count unless you open the driver's door. That one's been litigated too.

That's for US though, Euro laws might be different, they seem to be leaning into thought crimes these days.

I believe intent to operate in the US has been established as reading a checklist. EU/UK have established intent to operate as reporting for duty.

https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-pi...owed-705-cash/

Apologies if the article referenced her or she instead of it or them.

Not only that.
Under ICAO the stricter rules apply.
So it’s irrelevant if the FAA allows 0.0X if the countries laws are stricter.
Same with intent.

the bigger question is why would you post this in the first place? Do we need to bring attention to this issue???

what if the allegation is unfounded?

For that matter, the detective work the OP did and posted here, above and beyond any readily available news article at the time of posting, with direct pointers for anyone with access to icrew.

Contingent on the charge/evidence you’d think? Requires a sponsor. About 10 pilots a month enroll year to year on average. They claim 90% success for those achieving completion.

Hims is a rehabilitation agreement with the faa/dot. It’s a progression ladder that puts ideal case airmen into an 8 year minimum, immediate notice, sample clean & go regimen. Provisional release to long term monitoring (biannual eval by a hims AME) in perpetuity. Typical hims eval triggers are initial or random sample fails, dui arraignment, refusal to test. DMV bac .15 or higher is straight into program hopper threshold.

Drinks are served legally almost anywhere crews layover. Billions of people across the planet enjoy alcoholic beverages, dare I say, habitually. Pilots are people. Stopping before the line gets crossed has never been simple math. When it comes to reporting for duty, hard to be too paranoid about hims.

Hearing that this may be the case. Either way, another great example of not throwing your fellow pilots under the bus.

May I just say the stock (AI generated?) photo of a beaming pilot in the cockpit with shiny Ray Bans and a “thumbs up” in the context of this story is unintentionally hilarious?

May have well titled this article “Should I Be Concerned if My Pilot Looks Too Happy?”

(Not alcohol and flying, obviously. Several US pilots went to prison in Europe in the past few years over this. Ain’t worth it.)

The Northwest pilots back in 1990 were all male of course and that was big international news and made all the late show comedy circuits but of course there weren’t many female pilots back then .

FAs too. Just don’t make the headlines nearly as heavy when it’s them.

I think it’s probably relevant only in the fact that this ( if it’s true) would be the only time I’ve ever heard of a female pilot being drunk . It’s 99 percent male pilots that you hear of 🤷‍♂️

what if the pilot was Chewbacca would it matter ?

So on what basis was the pilot removed? I see comments on the FB group stating "no test was failed"... Sweden is not a third world country there must have been some sort of basis for removal.

The other crew member(s) might have thrown the flag... I'd really really hate to have to do that, but if backed into a corner I would. Especially overseas, who knows what legal twists might exist there. Accessory after the fact to operating a commercial airliner under the influence?