Korean, Asiana, and the TPAC JV

Reply Subscribe

Page 3 of 4

Thread Tools

Search this Thread

08-30-2025 | 07:21 PM

#21

cactusmike

Line Holder

Joined: May 2005

Posts: 1,556

Likes: 29

From: B777/CA retired

Quote:

Originally Posted by notEnuf

Who really cares about a side stick in a transport category airplane? Do you grab it fantasizing your call sign is viper?

Tells me you’ve never flown an airbus. Tray tables are civilized.

Having said that, Boeing FBW systems are superior to Airbi. But the triple and the 78 should have had a side stick.

Airbus sidesticks do have the priority capability as well as announcing dual input. Most of the supposed control issues can be solved with the simple declaration « my controls » .

08-30-2025 | 09:06 PM

#22

Jughead135

Line Holder

Joined: Sep 2011

Posts: 1,098

Likes: 2

From: Hates Commuting

Quote:

Originally Posted by cactusmike

Airbus sidesticks do have the priority capability as well as announcing dual input.

The “DUAL INPUT” annunciation is relatively new—I think it was hastened by the Air France accident under discussion?

08-30-2025 | 09:35 PM

#23

theUpsideDown

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Dec 2017

Posts: 2,918

Likes: 115

FO kept stealing control of the plane from the lance captain, it wasnt systems knowledge that would save them. If the fo in the left seat could get some feeling/warning the guy on the right was deepinging the stall he could have saved them. 35000 ft in the air and homeboy shoots for 15degree nose up because he sorta remembers a recovery techique for a situation they werent in.

at least a connected sidestick and the guy on the left could talk the idiot down from killing everyone.

08-31-2025 | 04:03 AM

#24

DWC CAP10 USAF

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Apr 2016

Posts: 4,008

Likes: 210

From: Looking left

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jughead135

The “DUAL INPUT” annunciation is relatively new—I think it was hastened by the Air France accident under discussion?

It existed back then…”Dual Input” is shown 6 times on the CVR transcript between 02:12:59 and 02:14:03

08-31-2025 | 04:47 AM

#25

FangsF15

Moderator

Joined: Sep 2011

Posts: 8,318

Likes: 1,326

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freds Ex

that incident would not have resulted in 228 fatalities on an aircraft with a yoke, do you disagree?

Maybe, maybe not. A Yoke didn’t help Atlas 3591, which would have still been fatal from a meaningfully higher altitude than they were at. Maybe with “Normal Law” limits of 15 degrees NL, that wouldn’t have happened.

And two 737 Max’s would not have killed 346 people with an extra AOA probe or two. Or more knowledge of this little thing called MCAS. Or…

I mean, we can come up with all kinds of darts to throw at boards. Accidents happen, and we learn from them. And we have. A lot. This poo-flinging at Airbus or Boeing design philosophy is silly and nonproductive.

08-31-2025 | 03:35 PM

#26

Jonny Drama

Line Holder

Joined: Mar 2011

Posts: 300

Likes: 20

From: Scratching my head in the right seat of a Douglas product

Quote:

Originally Posted by notEnuf

Who really cares about a side stick in a transport category airplane? Do you grab it fantasizing your call sign is viper?

LOLWUT… Gross, I make fun of the guys that still use their super hero names. All civilian here boo, All I am saying it is much nicer to have a tray table to eat off of than a logbook. I did about 9000 hours of a yoke in the way. The last 4000 without one have been way better! With 20 years to go I don’t see myself ever getting a Boeing type rating.