Korean, Asiana, and the TPAC JV
 

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/korean-air-makes-airlines-biggest-ever-boeing-jet-order-amid-trump-lee-summit-2025-08-26/


How does the tie up between these two Korean carriers affect our JV balance/global scope?

anyone have concrete numbers and figures or examples apart from the obvious language that says we grow equal yadda yadda?

PS- this must’ve been our 787 rumor coming to fruition :confused:

Koreans new order book is quite substantial given their relevant size, but the Asiana merger must be considered due to the combined aircraft replacements they both have due. Nonetheless, most of it is WB substantial growth.

I honestly don’t believe it affects Delta to any degree other than greatly exercising our global scope to force more WB’s to be ordered - which I believe you mentioned per our global scope. Another reason why I believe that large 787 order is imminent per JonNYC or a top of 330/350 order (both including the 20 350 options).

My money is on the 330/350 top up. It seems they really like the simple fleet approach.

I think it all depends on if Boeing or Airbus gives the best deal

I mean who wants to fly a transport category aircraft with a yoke anyway (So dumb that the 787 has a yoke!)?? That reason alone would make me bid the 330/350 over the 787.

It does make sense. Though, a MRO for GE on the 787 alongside a killer deal which Boeing and Airbus are surely arguing for could be the cherry on top for a 787 order.

Good news is we should get some clarity on it via a new wide-body order in late 25’ or Q1-ish 2026. I’m personally betting for 787’s despite the 350 being a better aircraft (the flight deck - at least) just so theres more options for the pilot group to pick from.

Not having a yoke killed 228 people on June 1, 2009.

The yoke itself isn't what's necessary for safety, side-sticks that move together could be. That and thrust levers that actually move.

Autothrust is also one of those Airbus engineering "solutions" that exists despite nobody asking for it and no problem existing with auto-throttles.

Airbus believes that the shared mental model should only exist between the autopilot and the flight data recorder and the pilots should not only be left in the dark but also not have much of a clue what the other pilot is doing.

So yeah, this isn't necessarily about wanting a yoke, it's about wanting an airplane that doesn't keep secrets.

Not having a yoke didn't kill those people, poor systems knowledge did. Plenty of people have stalled an aircraft with a yoke. Colgan 3407 enters the chat.

No problem existing with auto-throttles??
Turkish Air 1951 enters the chat

What a ridiculous statement. That was a minor contributing factor.

Also a ridiculous statement, there were a lot of reasons for the crash. Systems knowledge could have helped prevent the loss of SA but it was not the sole reason.