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notEnuf 10-21-2025 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3962147)
Ooooooowwwww. The fact checkers. Whatever, Like they've been right before. Not.

I'm just telling you what I saw. And what the locals there see. Every day. Day in and day out. For decades on end.

What remains is this - the Cali power grid is a wreck. There is no anthropological global warming.

You don't check facts from randos on the internet? That explains a few things.

StoneQOLdCrazy 10-21-2025 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 3962218)
that is a great chart.
Thank you

That chart is several years out of date and, I'd say, not terribly accurate. Several publications are no longer in print or even in business.
Plus, it's just one person's opinion.

Hubcapped 10-21-2025 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3962147)
Ooooooowwwww. The fact checkers. Whatever, Like they've been right before. Not.

I'm just telling you what I saw. And what the locals there see. Every day. Day in and day out. For decades on end.

What remains is this - the Cali power grid is a wreck. There is no anthropological global warming.

can you believe this guy claims to be a line check airman?

what a clown lol

Meme In Command 10-21-2025 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 3962218)
that is a great chart.
Thank you

This is the "what is the other pilot gonna talk about this trip based on the apps on their home screen" chart

There is only one axis labeled "oh f#ck, here we go..."

m3113n1a1 10-21-2025 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Hubcapped (Post 3962231)
can you believe this guy claims to be a line check airman?

what a clown lol

If he's really a Delta captain, I would be nervous riding on his airplane with the amount of unhinged, hazardous attitudes and just basic lack of knowledge he displays here. Maybe he's just trolling though..

velosnow 10-21-2025 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3962230)
That chart is several years out of date and, I'd say, not terribly accurate. Several publications are no longer in print or even in business.
Plus, it's just one person's opinion.

Just grabbed a clear version for reference. You can head over to their site for updates if you like. Little has changed in the big picture and it is well researched. Other media bias orgs consistently produce very similar outcomes, there is consensus on what is good and what is less so.

CBreezy 10-21-2025 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3962233)
This is the "what is the other pilot gonna talk about this trip based on the apps on their home screen" chart

There is only one axis labeled "oh f#ck, here we go..."

Starting a trip having never met the guy before and just looking forward to a long layover in SF to get some soup or sourdough or some good Thai food and a nice walk along the bay. He walks in before even saying hi and says "ready to go see the lawless socialist hellscape?" As a leftist or lib or (insert prejorative), I never talk bad about anywhere but Florida Man but that's a secular stereotype and pretty funny. Do you all who lean right have to deal with the left leaning pilots talking trash about a city before even introducing themselves? Genuinely curious.

nene 10-21-2025 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3961394)
Why does the PWA include other work groups? It should be written that this PS pool is just for pilots!

Every contract negotiation since BK (when ALPA negotiated PS as part of huge wage reductions) there has been attempts by the company to "monetize" PS calculations, ie reduce them for a notional few % more in rates. The first contract post BK they were successful (would love to know what PS would be had the original calculations been preserved) and luckily in contract 2016 ver 1 (which was not passed by membership) wouldve again reduced the PS calculation to match what mgmt had already reduced the non cons to. When we rejected that change in contract 2nd round, then mgmt quickly raised the non cons back up to what the PWA had preserved. Only the latest contract negotiation did not include a proposal to reduce PS for more % on rates.

m3113n1a1 10-21-2025 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3962245)
Every contract negotiation since BK (when ALPA negotiated PS as part of huge wage reductions) there has been attempts by the company to "monetize" PS calculations, ie reduce them for a notional few % more in rates. The first contract post BK they were successful (would love to know what PS would be had the original calculations been preserved) and luckily in contract 2016 ver 1 (which was not passed by membership) wouldve again reduced the PS calculation to match what mgmt had already reduced the non cons to. When we rejected that change in contract 2nd round, then mgmt quickly raised the non cons back up to what the PWA had preserved. Only the latest contract negotiation did not include a proposal to reduce PS for more % on rates.

I understand the history, I remember when non-cons got less PS and when they got bumped up to ours. I just don't understand why it's written the way that it is in our PWA, because it seems like it cost the company 0 dollars when they raised the non-cons up to our formula, because it was coming from the same pool anyway and the money just came from the pilots' PS.

velosnow 10-21-2025 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3962243)
This one?

Yes, that's an updated version.


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