Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 3960173)

. Screw the facts.

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3960061)

Also many articles I've read point out that one of the major limitations on renewables is that, in order to become more reliable, there needs to be a battery storage option on the grid like California is developing to be able to smooth out the dips. Most in Europe did not add energy storage as they added wind and solar. Many US states are even dipping their toes into the Virtual Power Plant by subsidizing power walls in homes with the agreement to be able to reach into those batteries when needed. Tesla seems to be on the cutting edge of this.

Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 3960177)

A good electrical storage option, large scale is needed. We aren’t there yet for realistic storage. But imaging a huge California neighborhood in the not too distant future that’s got 80% of the homes stocked w/ a power wall type tech…. And then some greenhadi sets fire to the neighborhood because one of Gavin Newsome’s acolytes decides they want that neighborhood for the Project 2030 scam for a planned low income city…. Wowza. Think about the electrical tinder that would blow that area sky high, not to mention the chemical fallout. That’s going to be a mess.

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3960114)

literally not one of those articles supports the claim you made that wind turbines never recover the energy that it took to create them…that you got from a meme


thats the very specific claim i called out, and you really keep trying to move the goalposts.

Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3960171)

Yeah, that’s methane. Fortunately all those fracking wells leak a ton of it.

Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 3960182)

Actually one of them discusses how the real cost hasn’t been properly tracked yet. That full lifetime costs including grid upgrades, maintenance and end of life destruction hasn’t been considered yet.

Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3960145)

What country is getting >50% of their power generation from wind or solar? Switzerland is an interesting case because of how much they get from hydro but they are unique.

Also no nuke plant just gets built quickly. How long did it take for the new one in Georgia to be built? I’ll say it again, we should be leaning into nuclear but it’s not going to happen fast.

If we want to talk about states with a messed up power infrastructure look no further than Texas. They have plenty of wind farms but when they were having all their power issues it wasn’t due to renewables, their nat gas plants kept going offline due to extreme temperatures.

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3960181)

you okay, bud?

Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3960145)

What country is getting >50% of their power generation from wind or solar? Switzerland is an interesting case because of how much they get from hydro but they are unique.

Also no nuke plant just gets built quickly. How long did it take for the new one in Georgia to be built? I’ll say it again, we should be leaning into nuclear but it’s not going to happen fast.

If we want to talk about states with a messed up power infrastructure look no further than Texas. They have plenty of wind farms but when they were having all their power issues it wasn’t due to renewables, their nat gas plants kept going offline due to extreme temperatures.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3960162)

Yes. Failed. CAISO's battery farm is viable for very short periods. The storage you mention is at capacity which can only be handled for very short periods of time. It's not a long term storage solution (by long term I mean more than a few hours to a day or 2). That's what CAISO's batteries do, they are a short term shock absorber and do not solve longer term demand. Moreover those batteries need to be disposed of, where will they go? They have a short life. They can't be reconditioned. So that means now a toxic mess to deal with in a few short years. But yeah, you go Cali.

As always you post up a highly biased non-scientific article and claim it to be the end all. Thanks for reaffirming.