that we need to account for the full lifecycle cost and externalities in any power generating system? yeah, of course. that article does not, however, support the notion that tailhookah got from a meme.


it does make an interesting point that turbine size must be matched to the project’s particulars, something we as a society are learning just like we have with many technologies.

The article cautions that the hype of ‘cheap’ energy from wind is not really all that cheap. People want to look at ROI as what it cost to build vs how much power it produces. ‘The rest of the story’ as Paul Harvey used to say is a little more complex … and expensive.

it is indeed. that’s a far cry from the nonsense tailhookah was peddling.

What non-sense is that? That wind and solar are not viable or reliable sources of energy? They're most certainly not. What's France doing now BTW? Germany? Building traditional plants - to include nuclear.

It's all out there OOfff and belittling us and inferring we are less than intelligent on the matter and you are the "expert" is the mentality that puts in the place where we can't have nice things. It's not binary OOfff. We've tried the grand experiment and it doesn't work. You've met the enemy and he is you (POGO).

Nothing wrong with using wind and/or solar to supplement traditional power, but it's been proven that relying solely on it for the majority of supply to your grid is a fools errand. Pound for pound, liter to liter organic fuels are absolutely the most efficient and least costly. Nuclear has come a long way as well. The new reactors Westinghouse has designed are quite impressive. You should go read up on them.

Curious where you are getting your info. France is doing fine.

Carbon neutrality. Scary

perhaps read the posts i’ve made, where i very specifically call out tailhookah’s comments.

or just rage

Show me that I’m wrong. From actual electric bills. Tell me why electricity is 3-5x more in Germany, France, Denmark and other countries that shelled their fossil fuel programs and went green. Or even the parts of the us that embraced wind. Much much higher electricity bills. Why is that? You explain that?

The Chinese are dropping 2-3 new coal plants per month also. Guess coal is the new old energy. Since the smart Chinese are doing it…. Right?

goalposts moved again. aside from the meme i posted, where did you get that the energy repayment is negative?

I have never even seen your meme. I did my own research. Again, for the larger farms, which is what I am really talking about, it’s a decade, give or take (and can vary by individual location due to wind speed/contancy/remoteness/etc).