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velosnow 10-12-2025 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3958958)
Not to mention cheaper cost to build, largely due to labor costs in China. CXT hit on some great points, but the last mile (or 10), is what makes it tough. A vast majority of America isn't walkable. Also, the bulk of their rail network encompasses an area that mostly fits east of the Mississippi. I'd love to see an amazing rail network in the states, but we should have hitched our horse to that wagon a long time ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JDoll8OEFE

There are certainly challenges, but the whole definition of insanity and all.

The Dutch, at first, actually rejected the move toward cycling infrastructure and better walk-ability in the 70s. Now obviously they've been quite successful and estimated healthcare savings are in the billions annually. Something like 3% of their GDP. Not to mention the intangibles of better QOL and lifestyle. Plus of course a great rail network and the last mile is often not an issue. Not too late for us to achieve a bit of that, but not going to be easy or cheap.

OOfff 10-12-2025 09:16 AM

when is the second best time to plant a tree/start good infrastructure?

HelloNewnan 10-12-2025 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3958958)
I'd love to see an amazing rail network in the states, but we should have hitched our horse to that wagon a long time ago.

America actually does have an amazing rail network.

You just need to be a hog or a cattle.

beernutt 10-12-2025 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by HelloNewnan (Post 3959027)
America actually does have an amazing rail network.

You just need to be a hog or a cattle.



People train goes out of Stubbville.

crewdawg 10-12-2025 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by velosnow (Post 3958996)
There are certainly challenges, but the whole definition of insanity and all.

The Dutch, at first, actually rejected the move toward cycling infrastructure and better walk-ability in the 70s. Now obviously they've been quite successful and estimated healthcare savings are in the billions annually. Something like 3% of their GDP. Not to mention the intangibles of better QOL and lifestyle. Plus of course a great rail network and the last mile is often not an issue. Not too late for us to achieve a bit of that, but not going to be easy or cheap.


I'm all for that, Americans could all use a bit more exercise. Used to love my rides up through the country side to places like Hoorn, Volendam, etc... They've done that to a small extent in my part of the country and I'd like to see it expanded. But the distances involved are still on a vastly different scale. My suburb alone is wider than most of the small cities in the Netherlands. Amsterdam itself is small than most of the "small" cities in the U.S.



Originally Posted by HelloNewnan (Post 3959027)
America actually does have an amazing rail network.

You just need to be a hog or a cattle.


Problem is, aside from ownership/priority of those tracks, they're generally not suited for the high speed trains we'd need to make transit times somewhat reasonable.

FL370esq 10-12-2025 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 3959029)
People train goes out of Stubbville.

Okay Owen. 🤣🤣

StoneQOLdCrazy 10-12-2025 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by WIPilot (Post 3958947)
*china’s high speed rail network bigger than this that was basically all built in the last 20 years has entered the chat*

It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care about human rights...or humans in general.

Uninteresting 10-12-2025 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by WIPilot (Post 3958947)
*china’s high speed rail network bigger than this that was basically all built in the last 20 years has entered the chat*

and how many cheap slave laborers died while building said rail in chyna?

Valar Morghulis 10-12-2025 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 3959067)
Okay Owen. 🤣🤣

His wife is a real trooper. I heard her first baby came out sideways.

Podracer 10-12-2025 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Uninteresting (Post 3958922)
you can build it, but they won’t come. Dallas tried light rail years ago and very few ride it for a number of reasons, the least of which is trying to take away the keys to the suburban for a house wife with one kid.

Yes. That is because if all you build is a couple measly tiny lines, embedded in a huge landscape that is accommodating to cars but hostile to pedestrians, it won't be useful to that many people. You need to build out the system so that it actually takes you places. A transit system is only useful if it takes you where you need to go. A classic example is Detroit. Its a huge joke. They build their people mover and the Q line that literally goes nowhere and they point at the low ridership and say "seeeee! nobody uses transit. our American blood is just different." and it becomes a self defeating negative feedback loop. Yet in NYC there are 4 million daily riders and its the only city in the USA where car ownership is below 50%. As ****ty and old as the MTA system is, it takes people where they need to go, so they use it.

Usually making enough lines and stations is enough. I argue that should come first. But pedestrianizing and densifying the urban landscape needs to happen fist. Transit needs to connect walkable areas because you wont have a car. On top of that, car infrastructure, ESPECIALLY parking, makes everything farther apart. The parking makes everything farther apart, which then reinforces the need for cars.


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