Possibly because the groups pushing hardest for “renewable” energy and in this country—and set the narrative—hammer us with (quack) climate data, and don’t give a rip about our national security.

Oh wow and you can't see past the rhetoric that gets pushed on you to look at the merits of an advancing technology that has potentially to increase our energy independence and resilience which would greatly impact our national security? Of course not, because GRRRR HIPPIES

Lol ok, Cartman

Just some articles to back up my “meme”…. Meme…. Really. That’s funny.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/coal-pollution-can-be-seen-pouring-from-power-plant-smokestacks/

And this:

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news...ers-unaffected

and this:

https://www.dw.com/en/combating-high...ion/a-71094111

wait…. There’s more:

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/resea...cy-aspirations

and this:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/chinas-c...-high-in-2024/

certainly not a meme:

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...f%20coal%20use

Now I’m not going to say coal is 100% clean, but Im also not going to say wind can supply our energy needs.

But this whole argument is quite funny. You meme lovers on the left say let’s go solar and wind and damn fossil fuels! The reality is that wind and solar wont work as the primary but will work in a total picture. I live in the mountains of western Virginia. Right by beautiful and Wild West Virginia. They’re mining like crazy again. Why? We need coal. We need nuclear. We need natural gas. We need wind. We need solar. Read some of the (not meme’s) articles above about Germany’s failure on the green revolution.

Why did Virginia agree to a wind farm off SE Virginia out at sea? Greenhadi pressure. It immediately raised electrical rates for those in SE Virginia before a single blade was made. Also, that area doesn’t make sense for wind. But they’ll sure be able to beat their chest and tell those greenies in Germany…. Look! We can also make poor decisions to appease the greenhadi movement!

The point I’ve been trying to make is that it needs balance. We need it all, but smartly. And for every KW that relies on a clear day, wind to blow or summer in high latitudes due to sun angle, we need Nuke/Fossil fuel backup.

No meme here. Just the facts. Maybe pick up a book. Do a goggle search and stay off your educational sites like FB and Instagram and stop poisoning your minds w/ memes.

Again with the green bullsh!t.....

I fully agree resilience and redundancy with multiple sources of energy is the best approach. One of us can't move past the "green" arguments and yet you call me brainwashed....

FYI, it took about 5 minutes online to understand China building more coal plants is a strategic move to better balance the grid and add flexibility to their energy needs. It allows them to control output and does NOT NECESSARILY mean that more plants= more coal burned.

Christ Even your own Germany article cites the country's reliance on Russian gas as being a major issue which is EXACTLY THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE.

His own article even discusses how dirty “clean” coal still is. That’s just the burning part not even talking about what strip mining coal does for the environment.

He also seems to be the only one making the argument about 100% renewables because no one else here has advocated for that at all.

Also many articles I've read point out that one of the major limitations on renewables is that, in order to become more reliable, there needs to be a battery storage option on the grid like California is developing to be able to smooth out the dips. Most in Europe did not add energy storage as they added wind and solar. Many US states are even dipping their toes into the Virtual Power Plant by subsidizing power walls in homes with the agreement to be able to reach into those batteries when needed. Tesla seems to be on the cutting edge of this.

And here goes China laying fields of solar panels and opening coal plants and diversifying their energy grid, making it more resilient and less dependent on external sources all while we continue to argue about how ugly wind turbines and solar panels are and those gahdamn hippies trying to save the planet with their stupid green stuff...

Don't mind China guys, the real enemy is that patchouli oiled, dreadlocked devil trying to save the Mexican Staring Frog of Southern Sri Lanka.

literally not one of those articles supports the claim you made that wind turbines never recover the energy that it took to create them…that you got from a meme


thats the very specific claim i called out, and you really keep trying to move the goalposts.

Why do you keep spreading misinformation?

LoL. Here we go with California - again. They are NOT the place to benchmark any energy grid off of, they've absolutely totaled theirs. You are obviously not an electrical engineer or do you understand the capacity required to store megawatts of energy. The battery tech doesn't exist yet and if and when it does it will come at a huge cost. Much easier to build a few nat gas plants or one nuke plant. Boom. Done. Bob's your uncle.

Near where I live they just converted a coal plant to a nat gas one. It took them about 2 years to complete it. It produces more energy than the old coal plant (nat gas is tremendously more efficient) and it's much "cleaner" as well.

Again, the experiment is over. It failed. I'm fine with augmenting the grid with some solar and some wind. However, it should not be the primary provider for the grid. It just doesn't work.